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350U Hydraulic Temp. Update

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Ibby

06-05-2004 04:00:48




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In an attempt to be brief, I didn't fully describe my system. When I purchased this tractor as junk, the power steering priority valve and safety regulator system was a fused piece of solid rust. (The plug on top was missing and it filled with water over the years)I was unable to find a replacement, so I removed ALL the original hydraulic valves and used the existing threads in the casting to lead the oil to a new priority flow divider and a brand new Prince 3 spool valve body mounted behind the seat. I used a 3/8 hose from the front pressure hole to a tee in the rear pressure hole, then 1/2" hoses to the valve. A 3/4 hose from the valve return side goes to the flow divider with a 3/8 going to the steering and the overflow goes into a 1/2 inch. The steering return and the divider return join into a 3/4 on the intake of the filter. (THe screen in the resevoir was missing, so I put a spin-on hydraulic filter on the return line to keep everything clean.) I also installed gauges on the pressure and return lines. THe high pressure side typically runs 300 psi during normal operations. (Up to 1500 when lifting a heavy load on the drawbar) The return side runs about 20 psi with a new filter, and I change the filter when it gets to around 60 psi. THe Prince flow divider is adjustable, and I backed it off until it just provided enough fluid for good steering response.

The previous owner told me it always ran hot, and a friend with a 300U said his did too. THe pump was fine when I first started using this setup, but has started developing leaks that I blame on the heat. I'll have the pump rebuilt, but want to correct the heating problem before I do.

I'd prefer to return this tractor to original, so If anyone can lead me to a proper valve setup, I's really appreciate it. I noted my 450 Farmall Row Crop with PS has a similier Priority flow valve but mounted differently. Is it the same valve, and could it be mounted on the utility version? If so, I may have more luck finding a Farmall 300, 350, 400, 450 valve setup.

Failing that, I'd like to atleast get the oil temperature down with my current setup.

Thanks for All your input. I appreciate any and all help provided.

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dick

06-06-2004 14:36:33




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 Re: 350U Hydraulic Temp. Update in reply to Ibby, 06-05-2004 04:00:48  
I'd agree with Jim E. that you are running too much supply pressure - which all gets turned into heat.

Things that MAY help (assuming I understand your piping correctly):

- Get rid of the spin-on filter, and go back to the original IH filter assembly inside the reservoir. The crud which is now clogging up your add-on filter is passing through your pump to get there - not a good thing given the close tolerances in the pump. The filter needs to be located before the pump. While you're in the reservoir, clean it thoroughly - the stuff which is clogging your present filter has to be coming from somewhere.

- The 3/8" and 1/2" hoses going from the reservoir to your valve(s?) sound awfully small for the capacity of the pump. The metal tubes to/from the pump are 1" and 3/4"; your hoses certainly shouldn't be any smaller, and probably should be larger because you're adding extra piping length to the original design.

- This flow divider of yours doesn't sound very good. The original IH design was self-adjusting (supplying anything from zero to full flow to the power steering) and had a force-balance design which minimized pressure drop across it to nearly nothing. This Prince thing of yours sounds like it could be your major problem.

- It sounds as though you must have an open-center gang of control valves?? Is there any safety valve in your system??

- Any good salvage dealer should be able to tell you about interchanging 300U/350U/300/350/400/450 hydraulic parts. I think most of what you really need is interchangable among them, excepting valve handles. You might try giving JP Tractor Salvage a call, they have had a good supply of this stuff in the past when I've needed it.

- Good luck, again.

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Ibby

06-07-2004 03:07:41




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 Re: Re: 350U Hydraulic Temp. Update in reply to dick, 06-06-2004 14:36:33  
Thanks you all for the advice. I agree that the original system was probably best, and I'll renew my search to find the correct parts to return it to that way.



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Jim E.

06-05-2004 16:39:40




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 Re: 350U Hydraulic Temp. Update in reply to Ibby, 06-05-2004 04:00:48  
If my memory is rite, I think the static running pressure on that series tractors was about 110#s PSI. And that may be enough to cause a heating problem. Ran a 300U from 1956 until 1984 and cann't say it ran hot. Planting with 6 row planter, cultaviting with 6 row rear mount. And many hours running a model 46 hay baler.



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