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mikeinWA

06-01-2004 12:43:37




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OK- I am at the stage where I have narrowed my wheel spacing decisions down to two options. One will maximize the distance between the wheels, and though I have already asked this question I hope you all will forgive me for asking again. Will I risk damage to the final drive housings when I space the rear wheels on 68" centers. The machine will look like a spider and I am concerned about the increased stress on these parts (final drives, bearings etc). Also please advise on the distance from the outside row of plants to the inside of the tire, that is to say ; What is a safe distance between them to insure I do not compact the soil or damage plants. I have figured on about 9". I do not intend to cultivate very large plants, 12" or so max. Thanks so much for the help!

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gene b

06-02-2004 04:24:53




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 Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to mikeinWA, 06-01-2004 12:43:37  
Going to 18 on center would space the wheels 54 on center will be easy for the SA. Do you have the veggie cult for the SA? I have one for an A they are made so the row spacing can vary for lots of crops. Your corn on 36 center will be just great and you wont have to change anything as you would be cultivating two rows instead of three of the other crops. Do you have different shovels you can buy in the area?

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mikeinWA

06-02-2004 06:15:27




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 Re: Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to gene b, 06-02-2004 04:24:53  
Gene-- With three rows on 18", and 10" tires, you r suggestion of center of tread at 54 leaves 4" on either side of the outside row to the inside surface of the tire, is that correct? Is that what you use? Oh, and yes I now have a veg tool bar for the front with a pretty good selection of shovels includung some straight discs I couldnt resist that measure about 8-9" across. Also have spring tooth track erasers.
Thanks for your help
Mike

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CNKS

06-01-2004 18:55:20




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 Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to mikeinWA, 06-01-2004 12:43:37  
You are not going to hurt the tractor, 68 inches is not very much. Your wheels should be adjusted so that they run in the center of the furrows for whatever row width you use. Although the A is considered a one-row tractor, that was when people planted corn, etc in 40 inch or wider rows. Where I live 30 inch rows are common for row crops, meaning with the tread at 60 inches you can straddle two 30 inch rows. I forget what it is you want to cultivate. We used a B to cultivate vegetables in 20 inch rows. You would not want the tire tread width wider than 10 inches (11.2-24 is the tire size) in that situation. Nine inch tires (9.5-24) would be better. You can straddle 3-20 inch rows with the wheels set at 60 inches or 2-20 inch rows with them set at 40 inches. The narrow row spacings were for short growing crops such as table beets, carrots, onions, turnips, radishes, etc.

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CNKS

06-01-2004 19:11:31




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 Re: Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to CNKS, 06-01-2004 18:55:20  
Forget what I said about 40 inches. Obviously the front wheels won't go in that far, I was looking at the rear wheel spacing, and assumed the front were the same (wrong page). You can get 60" on both front and rear, though. However you can leave the rear at 40 and set the front at 44 the rears will cover the front tracks.



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mikeinWA

06-01-2004 23:05:42




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 Re: Re: Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to CNKS, 06-01-2004 19:11:31  
CNKS- Thanks for the info. Against my better judgement I am going to go into a little detail. I grow a market garden from artichokes to zucchini. I have been paying a crew to hand weed between 8 & 12 acres for years and am finally graduating up to mechanical cultivation. I have puzzled and sketched, I have measured and measured again. The best system I can come up with is triple rows spaced 18' apart for most crops. That is a total bed width of 36" and leaves enough room for hand harvesting and weeding between tightly spaced crops like spinach and cilantro. My guys do not want the rows any tighter if there are three because of the geometry of straddling and reaching for weeding and harvesting. So, 36" bed width, add 9" either side for clearance (?), and my tires are about 10" wide. Total center to center for tires is 36+18+10=64. I apologize for not trusting this "A" as designed but frankly it looks a little spread out at this spacing. This spacing will however allow me to use the 3020 for seeding as it has a very similar inside dimension. If I use three seeders on 18" centers I can drop the center and seed corn on 36", or drop the outside two and seed squash on 72". It looks good on paper. I currently use a two row system for most crops but when I switch to tractor mount seeders I dont have a machine to match the tread of the "A" (3020) is set up just right for the plows and I dont want to start moving wheels all the time. I also hesitate to seed with the "A", I would rather leave it set up as a cultivator. I will try this as planned and keep people posted, I am still curious how much room is required between the outside rows and the inside of the tire to comfortably cultivate. Bored yet? If I read this site long enough I'll probably end up with more Farmalls and won't have to worry about anything but where to put the cot in the shop. Thanks and best wishes.
Mike Peroni

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riverbend

06-02-2004 20:21:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to mikeinWA, 06-01-2004 23:05:42  
Mike,

I got around the wheel spacing issue on the plow tractor (H Farmall) by swinging the drawbar to the side a little. The JD plow did not want to follow the tractor without crowding the landside, so after adjusting everything two or three times, I slid the drawbar over 4". It works great.

I would not worry about the 68" spacing breaking anything. It is the max spacing in the specs, but I would guess that the cultivator is not going to over load your SA.

Nine inches should be plenty. Tomatoes and corn roots can go out a couple feet, but by then you can't cultivate them any more. As long as you stay out of the field when it is too wet (except when you just can't) compaction should not be a problem. The SA should be light enough not to cause a problem in normal soil conditions.

Greg

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Bruce Wa.

06-01-2004 15:57:34




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 Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to mikeinWA, 06-01-2004 12:43:37  
I've seen broken final housings a cub with wide spacing. The A should be stout enough to take it as long as you don't hang something really heavy on the back.



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