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freddie william

05-26-2004 16:00:48




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i have a 1953 super m i just finish overhauling engine.i put fire crator piston back in it.after i get it hot and switch it off it still run on about 10 seconds before it shutdown. i am thinking the timing to high cause this so i need the corret setting, also with the timing little off would this my the tractor run a little hotter than normal?




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rebuilder

05-27-2004 04:47:08




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 Re: super m timing in reply to freddie williams, 05-26-2004 16:00:48  
Freddie;

All fire crater pistons need a smaller(retarded) timing advance as well as stiffer springs. So you need to replace the distributor shaft which is 30 degrees advance with a 22degree advance shaft and use governor spring package 372785R91(or next best spring package as many of the packages IH is not producing anymore). I use engine tune-up specification manual GSS-1356 for my work on rebuilding distributors.

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riverbend

05-27-2004 06:46:58




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 Re: Re: super m timing in reply to rebuilder, 05-27-2004 04:47:08  
Is that the same distributor as on an H ? All the local dealer could get were the advance springs for an H.



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rebuilder

05-27-2004 09:49:24




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 Re: Re: Re: super m timing in reply to riverbend, 05-27-2004 06:46:58  
Riverbend;

For firecrater pistons,yes. Most fire crater piston packages use the 22degree advance shaft and 362725R91 spring package regardless of the original timing or differences in engine size. Original H/M's had 40degree advances and spring packages358106R91. As the newer more powerful tractors came out they started to shorten the timing advances, for instance the supers H/M have 30degree and 300/400 series went to 22 and 25 degree timing with various spring packages.

As far as the spring packages go I can get most of the sring numbers I need though I.H. There are however some which have been dropped, for instance the L.P. spring assy's for the 4-6 cyl distributors. Some numbers I have stock ordered and cleaned out the last of their inventory. I have had to just use the next closest sring package by sight estimation.

Any questions post me back!

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James

05-26-2004 21:40:02




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 Re: super m timing in reply to freddie williams, 05-26-2004 16:00:48  
Also if the carb is stopped up or needs adjustment, the engine can run to lean and cause it to run hot. When you turn off the ignition. Mabe it is not grounding the mag good enough or shutting off the power fully. Something to think about.



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Bob M

05-26-2004 19:00:52




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 Re: super m timing in reply to freddie williams, 05-26-2004 16:00:48  
Freddie - Like Allan says, after you hit the kill switch ignition timing is meaningless (there is no ignition). Changing the timing, distributor advance etc. therefore cannot affect dieseling.

My '53 Super M also has firecraters and it likes to diesel when killed. However by setting the low idle as low as possible (425 RPM) and letting the motor run at low idle for a minute or so before shutting down, it always stops immediately.

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Dave S

05-26-2004 17:46:00




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 Re: super m timing in reply to freddie williams, 05-26-2004 16:00:48  
My H Fire Crator piston and sleeve kit come with a new distributor shaft, weights and springs to change the timing advance. Haven't installed anything yet.



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Allan

05-26-2004 17:40:04




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 Re: super m timing in reply to freddie williams, 05-26-2004 16:00:48  
Hi Freddie,

For what it is worth:

1. Retarded ignition timing will make any engine run hot(er).

2. Timing has absolutely nothing to do with "run on", "after-run" or "dieseling" as I like to call it.

Think about it: when you shut that ignition switch off, there is no more ignition timing; you've just killed it.

So, all that remains is just a hot spinning engine and that fuel, which is still coming in as long as the engine continues to rotate.

Slow your idle speed down and she'll die for you as it should.

Tryin' to help,

Allan

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Farmer Bob

05-26-2004 16:59:05




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 Re: super m timing in reply to freddie williams, 05-26-2004 16:00:48  
An old IH Mechanic once told me that if you go to the FC pistons, there should be a change made as well to the distributor drive to go along with these new pistons. I've never had FC's so can't be 100% sure but this guy was an ace mech.



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supermpuller4

05-26-2004 16:47:23




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 Re: super m timing in reply to freddie williams, 05-26-2004 16:00:48  
You probably will have to use better gas, if you retard timing you loose power. It would help if you alowed tractor to cool off after use and get idle set to lowest setting before turning off engine, or do what everyone else does, put tractor in high gear and kill it.



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