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mikeinWA

05-20-2004 15:12:42




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Any one out there cultivating mixed vegetables with a super A. I am just about ready to start. Would like to seed three rows one foot apart then drop outside seeders for single row crops like corn. What wheel width is desirable for such a job, what shovels do you prefer. Any info would be enormously helpful. Thanks




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Bruce Wa.

05-21-2004 10:44:38




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 Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to mikeinWA, 05-20-2004 15:12:42  
Mike, Where are you at in Wa.? My neighbor grew alot of lettuce and cabbage and cultivated them with cubs. The lettuce was in a 4 row bench and the cabbage in a 3 row bench. Not sure of the spacing. He used basket weeders . Very trick machine. If you are anywhere near Kent you should talk to this guy . He's now working for the biggest farmer around here and is very sharp on this stuff.



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mikeinWA

05-21-2004 19:14:38




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 Re: Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to Bruce Wa., 05-21-2004 10:44:38  
Located about 10 mi. SW of Chehalis. Close enough to Kent for sure. And yes I missed my chance at a basket weeder way back when I couldnt imagine I would ever use one. Once I get these cultivators working I will start to look for another. I cant see why they wouldnt belly mount. As I recall the one I passed up was ground driven.



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Jim Becker

05-21-2004 08:47:42




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 Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to mikeinWA, 05-20-2004 15:12:42  
The answer depends a little on your tire size. Unless you have unusually narrow tires, you will need more than a foot between the rows where the wheels will run. Narrowest setting for the Super A is 40". But with typical tire sizes, 44" is as narrow as you can set them. For what you are doing, I would suggest the narrowest available setting for your tire size.

Assuming it is 44", you can set your planter up for 3 rows at 12". But you will need to leave about an 18" space before the next 3 rows. Otherwise, the tractor tires will be running too close (if not directly over) the outside row from the previous pass. I suggest you make some sketches of your row and wheel spacings to work this out before you try it with the tractor. The Owner's Manuals for the vegetable cultivators have some drawings that would help but I didn't see one that matched your spacings.

When you drop off the outer planting units and do a single row, a 3 foot spacing will work fine.

All these details go bad if you have exceptionally large tires. Then a little more row width will be required.

For cultivating the small vagetables, I think a tool bar set-up would be preferable. But when your corn starts to get tall, the tool bar will hurt your crop clearance. You may need to make some compromises on the cultivator set-up. Follow the link if you want to take a look at my Cub with a vegetable cultivator installed. It is actually a Super A cultivator (wider than Cub unit). It is set up for 4 rows on 24" spacing, with knife weeders next to the rows and ducksfoots to catch the space between. They move very little soil and can be used close to small plants.

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riverbend

05-21-2004 20:25:26




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 Re: Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to Jim Becker, 05-21-2004 08:47:42  
Where did you find the knife weeders ?



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Mark Heidmann

05-24-2004 18:22:09




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 Re: Re: Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to riverbend, 05-21-2004 20:25:26  
Knife cultivators in various widths, along with many other choices in cultivating implements -- such as Bezzerides spyders -- are available from Market Farm Implement, marketfarm.com

Not associated with them.

Mark



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Jim Becker

05-21-2004 20:32:09




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 Re: Re: Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to riverbend, 05-21-2004 20:25:26  
Since that cultivator has been in the family for nearly 40 years, the exact source probably wouldn't be helpful.

I would suggest looking around the bone yards in the nearest vegetable growing areas.



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riverbend

05-21-2004 07:35:46




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 Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to mikeinWA, 05-20-2004 15:12:42  
Those Super As must be quite the tractor. It is very hard to drive a SC straight enough to kill the weeds within 1/2" of an inch tall plant and not get some cultivator blight.

What are you planting on one foot centers ? Only the greens and radishes go that close and are hand hoed. Everything that gets cultivated goes in on 32" or 64" centers. The wheel spacings are all 64".



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mikeinWA

05-21-2004 19:10:14




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 Re: Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to riverbend, 05-21-2004 07:35:46  
A better question is what dont I plant on 12" centers. Curcubits, solanacea, and corn. Alliums, root crops, all the brassicas, legumes just about everything you can imagine can be grown with great productivity on a 12"-18" double row system with the space you are describing between the beds. When you are pushing for return per acre this is a critical factor in the equation.



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riverbend

05-21-2004 20:23:40




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 Re: Re: Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to mikeinWA, 05-21-2004 19:10:14  
Whew. Our soil is too light to work it that hard. Tomatoes are hard to beat for $/A here, but everybody grows them.

All the best this summer.

Greg



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mikeinWA

05-21-2004 20:30:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to riverbend, 05-21-2004 20:23:40  
where are you located? I dont know if you recall but you offered some good advice on a problem I was having with my 3020 pto brake. Only broke one rod trying to figure it out!!!!! !!



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riverbend

05-22-2004 17:35:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to mikeinWA, 05-21-2004 20:30:19  
I'm in Delano, south central, Minn. Sorry, but it was probably someone else. I wouldn't know much about a 3020.

Greg



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gene b

05-20-2004 19:27:20




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 Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to mikeinWA, 05-20-2004 15:12:42  
You need the veggie cult with the tool bars you can set for any spacing you desire. Your type of shovels will depend on type of soil and what weeds to combat. I have the veggie set-up on an A with the tool bars two in front and one behind and lots of tooling for them. You can make lots of stuff also send e-mail if you need more details.



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scruffy

05-20-2004 19:26:08




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 Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to mikeinWA, 05-20-2004 15:12:42  
I use SA,SAV,2-SC's,A and 2-Cubs to grow just about everything you can think of in Ontario. I use 30" rows for most things. I know it's wide for some things but it is a pain if all of your tractors can't go down all the rows and a wide row doesn't overwork your land. My A's and cubs are set at 40" centers. I like to scuffle only one row at a time (my favorite today is a Cub-144 one row cultivator). I have a SC set up with a two row scuffler but I do a better, more precise job with a one row. My C hasn't even moved yet and my Cub needs another tank of gas. But I wish I had the tool bar (252) that would make it possible to put two or three rows of spinach between a Cub's legs. I use shields for lettuce, cauliflower and for things like beets when they are an inch tall. Lift the shields when they can stand some burying. I use the points with one wing missing near the plants and wide wings else where. I lift the shields, go deeper and faster for things like garlic and larger corn so that the weeds are buried between the plants. Rule # 1...kill the weeds before you think you have any, at 1/2" or less. Sorry if I getting long-winded, it just happens to be a subject that on my mind and close to my heart right now.
I took the scufflers off my SA and put a belly mower on cause my very fancy %$^&*# kabota mower is down and it was easier and cheaper to put my A to the task than to fix that orange thing, but I digress, if a photo of the Cub can help you set up, E-mail me micheal.lanigan@sympatico.ca

You are putting that little A right where she loves to be and it will shine!!

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Hugh MacKay

05-20-2004 18:54:34




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 Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to mikeinWA, 05-20-2004 15:12:42  
Mike: I do something similar to what you propose. I have one tractor set on 52" centers wheel tread and the other on 60" That way I can plant single rows just about any width over 40". I can plant 2- 26" rows, 3- 20", 2- 30" rows.

I have tried exactly what you propose and found wheel tread setting of 48" best. This puts your 3 rows in 2' and gives you 1' to center of tire on each side. When doing the single row as in corn you can get them in at about 34" without doing too much damage to corn under 1' in height. I might add that worked well with one tractor, but switched after getting second tractor. I found there were not enough items I could use the 12" rows with. I find 20" better when considering a wide variety of crops.

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mikeinWA

05-20-2004 19:05:32




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 Re: Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-20-2004 18:54:34  
Hugh thanks for the response. When planting three rows will I be able to cultivate all three in one pass? The cultivator set up I have has two back swept tool bars as the belly mount. Will I be better off fabricating a straight tool bar that spans the entire width between the wheel spacing as I have seen others do? And finally what type of shovel would you recommend?



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Hugh MacKay

05-20-2004 20:04:33




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 Re: Re: Re: SA cultivator set up in reply to mikeinWA, 05-20-2004 19:05:32  
Mike: If you wish send me an e mail. I have some good shots of my tool bar cultivator set up scanned and can give you some ideas. I won't guarentee they are the right ones. I have seen items I would have done differently another time. You may see some I didn't. Best way in the world to get it right is look at everyone else's mistakes.



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