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scotty

05-19-2004 06:29:00




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Im looking for some suggestions for moving some larger stones on my property that I want to use to build a retaining wall in front of my porch that I just built. The stones are located along my hedgerows and probablly wont exceed 500 to 800 lbs. I have a 32hp Diesel 4x4 with FEL. My thought was to get some old truck chains to wrap around the backside of the rock and attach to the FEL and drag out to the open field. At that point I could push the stones across the field to the position in the wall. Im trying to find as many flat stones as possible. Also these stones are located a few feet in from field edge and am trying not to destroy all the saplings in between. If anyone has some suggestions or has done this before I would appreciate your help.

scotty

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scotty

05-20-2004 03:57:49




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 Re: OT- Moving Rocks in reply to scotty, 05-19-2004 06:29:00  
Thanks all, I have some good ideas from this thread!

scotty



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Hugh MacKay

05-19-2004 19:02:46




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 Re: OT- Moving Rocks in reply to scotty, 05-19-2004 06:29:00  
scotty: The car hood guy have it right on, best hoods for the job are mid 50s Mercury, Crysler or Buick. The front of those hoods give you great sled runner effect. You may be able to borrow one of those from a guy needing a hood sanded.

Remember, no matter how you approach this there is going to be some brute strength, manual lifting. Get a bottle of linament for the mussles, antiseptic for the wounds and a bottle of good sprits for you and your friends. True friends are the ones that show up for these type of events.

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TimV

05-19-2004 13:37:54




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 Re: OT- Moving Rocks in reply to scotty, 05-19-2004 06:29:00  
Scotty: To build on Jared's response, visit your local "automotive recycling operation" and get an old car hood. These work great for stone boats--pierce a couple of holes in one end for the chain, hook them up, and go. If the chain holes pull out, make another set (or switch sides) and keep using it.



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Bob M

05-19-2004 13:35:46




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 Re: OT- Moving Rocks in reply to scotty, 05-19-2004 06:29:00  
Scotty - For moving large rocks any distance this works nice: Take a piece of corrugated iron (roofing/siding) at least half again as long/wide as your biggest stone. (An old car hood, refrigerator door, or similar metal scrap will work too). Bolt a 4x4 the width of the metal across one end of the metal. Attach with ˝” wood lags or carriage bolts, and use washers under the heads. Finally punch a hole - centered and where the rear face of the 4x4 meets the metal - thru the metal big enough for a log chain grab hook to pass through.

To move a rock: Position your “skid” next to the rock and oriented so your tractor can be hooked to the end with the 4x4. Use your FEL to roll the rock onto the skid so it’s more or less centered on the metal. Now run a log chain around the 4x4 then thru the punched hole and hook it back onto itself. Then hook the free end of the chain to the tractor drawbar. The shorter the chain between the drawbar and skid the better – you want it to lift the front of the skid a bit as the tractor pulls. You can now skid the rock easily wherever you want it.

This works best in tall weeds, on wet grass etc. and will hardly leave a mark. But it also works fine on tilled soil or hard ground – the metal will just wear out faster. I've used it to move rocks in excess of 1,000 lb with ease.

Have fun, and work safe!

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Jared in VT

05-19-2004 12:57:47




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 Re: OT- Moving Rocks in reply to scotty, 05-19-2004 06:29:00  
Scotty, It seems that the only missing portion of Wardner's and Buck's 1000 years of technoligy, is the Stone Boat. Roll/leaver the rocks onto the stone boat, and drag them very nicely to their new homes. It helps to keep it low tech, simple and safe. It's easy too, to work from the stone boat. Rejects or spares stay on the boat to save you the effort of loading and unloading. Have fun, Jared



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Wardner

05-19-2004 07:23:05




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 Re: OT- Moving Rocks in reply to scotty, 05-19-2004 06:29:00  
The stones will just pop out of the truck chains.

The trucks chains will get tangled

Truck chains are heavy.

All you need is 10-12 feet of 3/8 chain with slip hooks (large opening and throat). Lever the flat stones with a bar and slide chain underneath. Roll round stones onto chain.



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scotty

05-19-2004 09:43:43




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 Re: Re: OT- Moving Rocks in reply to Wardner , 05-19-2004 07:23:05  
Wardner, Thanks for your ideas. Some of the bigger ones I will need some help to do that but I will give it a shot.

Thanks
scotty



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Wardner

05-19-2004 10:26:11




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 Re: Re: Re: OT- Moving Rocks in reply to scotty, 05-19-2004 09:43:43  
Let me just say that I have handled thousands of tons of stone. These are mostly granite blocks from old bridge abutments. Average weight is around two tons. Heaviest stone could have been five tons.

I never do this work with help. That is the quickest way to injure someone or get injured. I have never squashed a finger or toe. When you bar a stone, you are only lifting half the weight of the stone. By using a lever with a fulcrum spaced to yield a 15 to 1 advantage, you can theoretically lift one end of a 4000 lb stone.

Of course you are not lifting anything. You are using your weight to apply force. Once the stone is up several inches, slide a 2x4 under it.

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buck

05-19-2004 12:19:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: OT- Moving Rocks in reply to Wardner , 05-19-2004 10:26:11  

Sorta funny how with all the equipment now-a-days that the easiest way is still like they must have done it a 1000 years ago. I agree with you bars and chain.



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