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Help! Fell in love with a Super A

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Peter Llanso

05-10-2004 18:50:13




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I have 22 acres with a lot to mow. Saw a freshly-painted Super A for sale by the side of the road, fell in love, (and here's the irrational-lover's part) bought it without aught but hearing the motor run. Also, this is the first tractor I've ever sat upon, let alone owned, so I'm a rank knee-O-phyte.

The serial number is 269499, and I'm guessing it's a '49? (Happy coincidence: I'M a '49!)

A dozen specific rube questions:
1) The tranny is noisy, though the tractor moves OK. Is some noise acceptable?
2) I have no use for the hydraulic lift (yet) but have run the levers back and forth a couple of times. Of course, it leaks onto the clutch housing. Seals, I assume?
3) How long should it be, after the clutch is pushed in, until the gears stop, so they can be engaged? (obviously no synchro here!) Is "patience" my word-of-the-day?
4) It came with a PTO unit, which I need to use for the pull-behind mower. When engaged, the unused pulley shaft leaks a LOT. A real lot. I guess a seal is in order, here?
5) The PTO leaks oil there, but when I look in the filler hole, I see thick grease. What's up? Do the PTO and the tranny share the same oil, and why then, the grease?
6) The guy spray-painted everything, including over the zerk fittings. No question here, just a *sigh*.
7) The owner's manual says to use soft water and 2 lbs. of "washing soda"??? What's up with that? Can I use modern antifreeze-type coolant?
8) Is gear-oil just gear-oil in any language? The manual says to use 90-wt. Supply houses have such like 80-90, or 70-140. Suggestions?
9) My 'owner's manual' was made on a copying machine. It's OK, but I'd rather have something more legible. I also have a 'shop manual' by IH, titled "IH-8". These references are underwhelming. Does anyone have suggestions about other or better books? Or a 'modern' book about this very-old tractor? "A Manual of Step-by-Step Procedures For The Compleat Idiot", or such? (former beetle owner)
10) Any suggestions about sources of old tractor parts, and afore-mentioned-manuals, including (*ahem*) seals and gaskets? It would be cool, too, to find a crank for starting, not that I'd be a dang-enough fool to try.
11) HELP!!!
12) Thanks

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Peter Llanso

05-11-2004 13:17:49




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 Re: Help! Fell in love with a Super A in reply to Peter Llanso, 05-10-2004 18:50:13  
Olive,...LOL!
I'm MARRIED to a redhead, and now I've gone and gotten myself another redhead! (Now THAT'S living dangerously!) The first one fully approved the second, but already the fireworks: the first redhead won't let me park the second one in the living room!

But I want to thank you all for the extremely friendly welcome, both to this forum and to the world of tractorin'! I've long had need of one, (my poor dad-in-law has borne the burden), but part of the allure is the basic simplicity of the machine: only what you need, and nothing more. Part of why I loved my '71 VW beetle.

If you folks are representative of what old-machine folks are like, then I've gotten myself into a good thing. My sincere appreciation to you all. I already feel more confident, if only to know that help and encouragement are this close by.

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Olive O'Sudden

05-11-2004 11:34:42




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 Re: Help! Fell in love with a Super A in reply to Peter Llanso, 05-10-2004 18:50:13  
Whoa! Better slow down there Peter and back off the tractors for awhile. You are taking this tractor things way to seriously. Go out and try and find a nice girl instead.



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Jay

05-11-2004 06:17:52




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 Re: Help! Fell in love with a Super A in reply to Peter Llanso, 05-10-2004 18:50:13  
I won't comment on your questions, the advice you received is good. But I can understand your love for the Super A.

I've lived in a farming community all my life, but have never farmed myself. I help people out once in a while and drive their tractors, and have always had access to any size tractor that I wanted to use. I have a couple implements that I bought to use with my brothers tractors, including a 9 foot snowblower and a 9 foot box scraper. Despite the availability to me, I always wanted a small loader tractor of my own to do odds and ends.

My brother bought his first antique tractor about 5 years ago, a 1938 Allis B with a Woods belly mower. Wonderful little tractor, turns sharp, mows nice, and runs beautifully. I was however disappointed with the power and in particular, the lack of adjustment in the carb.

I came across a crappy M with a Du-al loader. I had looked at it several times and said junk. It had an old truck seat on it, the grill was dented, the front end didn't work quite right (was bent), and the owner had always put USED oil in it from his other tractors (that's what he did with equipment he didn't like, but took excellent care of the ones he did). I had my thoughts on something a little better, 3 pt would be great. Live hydraulics was a must.

One day, I took a friend of mine (farmer) with me, and we looked at it. The guy wanted $600 dollars for it, he said it had sticky/leaky/burnt valves. Brian looked at me and said, if you don't buy it, I'm going to. Fine, I did. My brother, who farms the land of the guy that sold me the tractor said, don't be cheap - give him $800. I compromised, and give the guy $700.

After changing oil with NEW oil, the old girl suddenly had oil pressure (it did before, but on the low side) and it stopped missing and hissing. A new correct seat. Tear off and fix (for now) the front end, put a live pump on. New fluids around. Rewired. Pretty soon, I started to like that old girl. I have twice as much into it as I paid. But now she runs and works like it should.

That's when I became a Farmall man. Forget those popping Deeres and the gutless Allis'.

My next quest was for a Super A. I've seen them and driven them since, and love those little things. I wanted to mount a belly mower on it. They are hard to find around here, there are a few A's, but a Super is rare.

That led me to my C. I have a friend that was selling a beauty of one for his dad. Already had a nice Woods belly mower on it. We finally agreed on a price ($1700). I had yet to hear it run yet, but he said it ran nice. It was about +20F the day I went to pick it up. I don't think the engine turned over a full revolution and she was purring like it had been running all day. I haven't had time to work on it much yet, but it doesn't really need anything outside of new fluids. I'll wait until I can work her a bit before I change them. But I'm very happy with it.

My quest remains for a Super A. I've located an A that I haven't had time to look at yet. The problem is, I've run myself out of garage space, and I don't have anything for the A to do. I think I may still get it, but to just play with, and hopefully restore. As for garage space, I have plans in the back of my mind for that. I will think about it this summer with friends over a few barley pops.

So the only reply I have for you is this - If you love it, you think you can fix it, then get it. I think you may always regret it if you don't.

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TimV

05-10-2004 20:30:48




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 Re: Help! Fell in love with a Super A in reply to Peter Llanso, 05-10-2004 18:50:13  
Peter: You've got one of the true classic tractors, and it's a wonderful little marvel of engineering. With reasonable care, it will reward you with many (think: multi-generational) hours of work, play, or anything in between. Hugh and HF took care of most the questions very well, but I'll handle the crank one. While cranks are easily availible, you can also bend one up yourself with minimal tools and a couple of pieces of round stock from the local hardware store. If you're interested, I can measure mine and shoot you the dimensions. Basically it's 2 90-degree bends and a piece of steel dowel stuck through close to the end of the long piece. Cranking an "A" is easy provided the tractor starts decently. We've been cranking our '42 on the home farm for 20 years--no sense in fiddling with the starter when a couple flips sends her putting to life. The basic rules are (1) don't put your body in line with where the crank is spinning (2) crank up, not down (too easy to get your jaw in the way, particularly if you're "vertically challenged") and (3) crank with your right hand and never wrap your thumb around the crank.

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HF

05-10-2004 19:55:56




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 Re: Help! Fell in love with a Super A in reply to Peter Llanso, 05-10-2004 18:50:13  
For starters, congrats on the Super A! It's a neat tractor. Next type in "Super A" on this page at the "Search" function and read away;-) Here goes nuttin': 1. "Some" is okay, lots is not. 2.& 4. Yes, see a Case-IH dealer, bring lots of dough. 3. Fairly quick, you may need to adjust the clutch linkage(in the manual). 5. Yes, it shares the "oil". Some -clown- "may" have put in some grease to reduce the leaking or cover up bearing probs. 7. Yes. Water is OK if not below freezing. 8. Yes. 80-90 will work, so will 140 if it leaks bad. 9. & 10. binderbooks has excellent manuals. Parts at other than a dealer are available, try google for 'tractor parts'. This site sells parts also. 11. If you can work on a 'bug, you can handle this! 12. Your welcome!

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Hugh MacKay

05-10-2004 19:39:06




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 Re: Help! Fell in love with a Super A in reply to Peter Llanso, 05-10-2004 18:50:13  
Peter: I can understand falling for the Super A. I have owned 6 of these tractors in the past 45 years. 3- Super A, 2- 130 and a 140. Basically the same tractor, just the numbered ones are newer models. Yes you can hand crank them very easily. PTO and belt pulley gear box are supplied by an impeller called slinger, whch forces oil from transmission to that gear box. There is an overflow for excess to run back to transmission.

Two of the first items you should look at are oil level in fan hub, and lubrication within the distributor drive. People tend to forget those two and they can get a bit costly. The transmission should stop turning within 5-8 seconds of pushing clutch in. Modern day antifreeze is the way to go. A former Bettle owner shouldn't have too much trouble with those manuals. 90W gear oil yes. Another item I would do is change the oil in the hydraulics, even though you aren't using them. Take the screen out and clean and add new Hytran hydraulic oil from CaseIH. From time to time activate those hydraulic valves. Check the oil level in hydraulic regularly, that resovoir isn't very large and pump lubrication very important.

In my hometown most beetle owners that were farmers, farmed with Super A. The two ranked very close when it came to quality. Most of the Super A's have outlasted the Beetles. There are numerous parts supplies for these, just ask on here for particular items. Some sources better than others for different items. Enjoy your tractor and welcome to YT forums.

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Paul in Mich

05-10-2004 20:21:05




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 Re: Re: Help! Fell in love with a Super A in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-10-2004 19:39:06  
Hugh, you should know that the main reason that the Farmall "A" outlasted the Beetle is because Farmall "A's" werent cut up for beach buggys, nor become "Dead head" mobiles.



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Hugh MacKay

05-10-2004 20:28:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Help! Fell in love with a Super A in reply to Paul in Mich, 05-10-2004 20:21:05  
Paul: You still haven't commented on my classmates , Rolls Canardly. I'm actually kind of curious about that 27 Packard. Thought I might try and find one to replace my Buick.



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Greg-N-CA

05-10-2004 20:54:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Help! Fell in love with a Super A in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-10-2004 20:28:01  
I enjoyed reading the thread. Interestingly enough, I too, am a former beetle owner (put myself through college by purchasing, rebuilding, converting them into to buggies, and selling VWs). Now I find myself and son buying, restoring, and keeping Farmall tractors! Post some pictures, please.



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Paul in Mich

05-11-2004 04:33:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Help! Fell in love with a Supe in reply to Greg-N-CA, 05-10-2004 20:54:25  
Greg, My grandson moved from Maine to California to go to college to become a photojournalist, however when he got there he met someone who like himself loved the VW Beetle. They now restore and build them as a business. So much for photojournalism, for now anyway.



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Paul in Mich

05-10-2004 20:52:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Help! Fell in love with a Super A in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-10-2004 20:28:01  
Hugh, I'm sort of falling down on the job, aren't I? If you find a 27 Packard, let me know, I get "dibs" on the first ride.



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