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Louisville Super M differences from a Farmall Work

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Frank M. Fiala

05-10-2004 17:54:28

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What are the differences between a Farmall Works Super M & a Louisville Super M? It appears the Louisville Super M has 1) a 3 bolt starter connection, 2) two square pertrusions on the left side of the torque tube, 3) a higher set of SN's on the plate as well as the engine & 4) many tractor pullers in our area think the transmission is geared higher. Can we get an expert to verify whether or not any of the above assumptions are correct? I would suspect Guy Fay has a handle on this. Thank you very much for the assistance.

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Novel Idea Guy

05-12-2004 06:07:24

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Re: Louisville Super M differences from a Farmall in reply to Frank M. Fiala, 05-10-2004 17:54:28

I don't know what happened to my post yesterday, but I believe your "Louisville Super M" is really a Super MTA. They made Super MTAs without TAs.

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Pete

05-12-2004 08:39:23

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Re: Re: Louisville Super M differences from a Farm in reply to Novel Idea Guy, 05-12-2004 06:07:24

Wouldn't a SMTA w/o a TA just be a SM? Kinda like a Porche Turbo w/o turbo is just a Porsche, or an F 150 4X4 with out 4 wheel drive is just an F 150?

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Novel Idea Guy

05-13-2004 09:48:50

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Re: Re: Re: Louisville Super M differences from a in reply to Pete, 05-12-2004 08:39:23

Technically, yes, but even the SMTAs that didn't come with a TA were called "Super MTA," and were badged appropriately. They just didn't have the little "Torque Amplifier" graphic on the sticker.

The original poster has not yet come back to confirm or deny that the torque tube is a separate unit, not cast into the rear end like a true Super M.

My Dad's got both a Stage I Super M and a 400, which is just a Super MTA with stuff bolted on top. The original poster's description exactly matches the 400's chassis, which is why I suspect he's talking about a Super MTA.

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CNKS

05-12-2004 17:47:25

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Re: Re: Re: Louisville Super M differences from a in reply to Pete, 05-12-2004 08:39:23

For practical purposes, yes, but the SMTA's without a TA had the same longer clutch/TA housing as the one with the TA. This was discussed in some detail a few weeks ago -- seems like there were other minor diffences also.

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CNKS

05-12-2004 07:36:37

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Re: Re: Louisville Super M differences from a Farm in reply to Novel Idea Guy, 05-12-2004 06:07:24

--but they weren't made in Louisville.

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Novel Idea Guy

05-13-2004 09:57:54

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Re: Re: Re: Louisville Super M differences from a in reply to CNKS, 05-12-2004 07:36:37

But the original poster doesn't provide the serial number! I contend that he simply assumes it was made in Louisville because of the differences he points out. Note that he says "higher serial number," nothing about an L prefix. Super MTA serial numbers are just a continuation of the Super M serial numbers, so regardless of where it was made, the number would be higher.

The serial number list on this site shows a starting number for Louisville "M" series tractors in 1954. The logical conclusion is that they made Super MTAs in Louisville in 1954, and this tractor is a Super MTA with no TA.

Could they have made "Super Ms" in Louisville in 1954, using Super MTA rear ends? If so, why didn't they just put Super MTA stickers on them like the Farmall ones?

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Dave W V

05-11-2004 12:07:50

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Re: Louisville Super M differences from a Farmall in reply to Frank M. Fiala, 05-10-2004 17:54:28

As others have stated most of difference is the serial number tags. Gasoline tractors both Louisville and Farmall Works were equipped with starter housings that used two or three bolt starters. After serial F28174 and L504801 used three bolt. All diesels from start of production used three bolts. Also, after those serial numbers the battery box was located to under seat and controls changed to a accommadate factory live hydraulic which was offered but not found on all tractors. On starter housing the bosses you refer to are drilled and tapped on some housings because this is the same housing used on SW6 tractors that had the frame rails. The holes were used to mount battery box. C264 gas engines are numbered without regard to which factory the tractor was assembled. Transmissions are the same with options the same.

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Dr. Evil

05-11-2004 11:19:13

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Re: Louisville Super M differences from a Farmall in reply to Frank M. Fiala, 05-10-2004 17:54:28

Most of the transmission & final drive gears, shafts, etc. were made at FARMALL and shipped to LVL. Bolts, bearings, small gears that fit the size range of West Pullman works would have been shipped direct to both FARMALL & LVL plants. I think FARMALL still made their own engines at that time, and would have shipped those to LVL also. .

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Bob M

05-10-2004 18:47:39

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Re: Louisville Super M differences from a Farmall in reply to Frank M. Fiala, 05-10-2004 17:54:28

Frank - We have one each Lousville and Farmall Works SM's - both purchased new in 1953. Aside from the obvious difference in serial numbers and the Farmall Works tractor having a factory wide front, the ONLY difference between the two is design of the ammeter faces.

It should be noted also the SM parts catalog does not differentiate between - nor even mention - Louisville vs Farmall Works tractors.

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Stan(VA).

05-11-2004 05:32:34

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Re: Re: Louisville Super M differences from a Farm in reply to Bob M, 05-10-2004 18:47:39

I agree with Bob that there is no distinction between the models (ie: not a seprate listing for Louisville vs Farmall Works camshaft, or tranny gears), but it does mention both models and gives seperate serial number breaks for each change (ie: stage 1 to stage 2 changes such as live pump, battery under seat, new starter, etc.).
Stan(VA).

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CNKS

05-10-2004 18:36:13

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Re: Louisville Super M differences from a Farmall in reply to Frank M. Fiala, 05-10-2004 17:54:28

First I had heard of this--I thought the only difference was the L prefix and a 6 digit serial. Not knowing the production specifics, if both plants cast their own parts, then I suppose there could be minor difference in the castings. I don't have a Super M parts book, any differences would be there. Faster gears? No. But, I'm not the expert, hope Guy Fay answers.

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49 Cubber!

05-10-2004 18:35:15

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Re: Louisville Super M differences from a Farmall in reply to Frank M. Fiala, 05-10-2004 17:54:28

Of the Louisville SMs Ive seen,I cant tell any diffewrence except the serial Numbers having an L.COuld just be whats around here though.

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