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Jamie stratton

05-09-2004 06:58:06




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I want to know what the handle on the right side of the steering wheel does. It's hooked into the transmission, but when I pull it it just seems like its loose in their, and it doesn't do anything. What was it supposed to do.




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paul in Mich

05-09-2004 07:29:40




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 Re: Farmall M in reply to Jamie stratton, 05-09-2004 06:58:06  
Jamie, The M is equipped with a belly pump hydraulic system. That handle is to engage the hydraulic pump. Unless you have something hooked up to one of the plugs comming out of the transfer case, you should operate the tractor with that handle pushed all the way forward. There should be 3 pipe fittings comming out of the case with plugs. These are to hook up hydraulic hoses.



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rustyfarmall

05-09-2004 07:27:35




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 Re: Farmall M in reply to Jamie stratton, 05-09-2004 06:58:06  
It is the lever which engages the hydraulic belly pump. Either you are not pulling it far enough, or the pump is not working, it should put a load on the engine when you pull back on that lever. Also, it does not go into the transmission, that part of the tractor is called the clutch housing, some people call it the torque tube. The transmission is in the cast iron case under your feet.



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Jamie Stratton

05-09-2004 11:42:10




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 Re: Re: Farmall M in reply to rustyfarmall, 05-09-2004 07:27:35  
Thats interesting. I didn't think that it had hydraulics on the tractor. There are three fittings coming out of the housing though. That handle is just so easy to move though. It doesn't feel like it has any linkage. I'm wondering, does the tractor have to be in gear for the pump to work. How does it work? A live hydraulic pump runs of the side of the motor. How do belly pump hydraulics work? Maybe then I can determine if it works or not. Also is that cap on top of the housing by the lever for hydraulic fluid?

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Wayne Swenson

05-09-2004 15:21:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Farmall M in reply to Jamie Stratton, 05-09-2004 11:42:10  
Make sure you have oil in the reservoir; it takes 6 quarts of SAE #30 non-detergent oil.
Is the pump hooked to the transmission? Remove the tin cover behind the pump and look up into the cavity; you should see a 4" by 1¼" shaft connecting the pump to the transmission.



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Jamie Stratton

05-09-2004 17:35:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall M in reply to Wayne Swenson, 05-09-2004 15:21:28  
what plate would that be. I don't see any plate. If its on top I have a belt pulley there so if thats the case that whole thing would have to come off.



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Wardner

05-10-2004 00:12:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall M in reply to Jamie Stratton, 05-09-2004 17:35:29  
The tin, if installed, is on the bottom. You need to get on your back and look up. Your mid- tractor hydraulic system (Liftall) is probably only used as a reservoir for the ignition drive live pump. If that is the case don't use 30 weight. Use Hy-Tran or hydraulic oil. Heavy weight oil in the live pump might damage your camshaft gear in cold temperatures if the hydraulics are being used to lift something like a snowplow.

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rustyfarmall

05-09-2004 12:16:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Farmall M in reply to Jamie Stratton, 05-09-2004 11:42:10  
The tractor does not need to be in gear, but the clutch does need to be engaged, your foot off the pedal. Yes, the fitting up on top is for filling the hydraulic reservoir.
If you noticed, the rod, or lever, has a small peg on the bottom side, you need to lift up on the rod, so that you can bring that peg past the the support bracket that it rests in, continue pulling it toward you until you feel resistance, at which point you should also notice a differance in the sound of the engine.

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Novel Idea Guy

05-10-2004 09:02:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall M in reply to rustyfarmall, 05-09-2004 12:16:38  
If you've got live hydraulics, and the pump belly is being used for a reservior, DO NOT PULL THAT LEVER! We learned that the hard, EXPENSIVE way on my Dad's Stage I Super M back in the '80s. He'd added a live pump and power steering, using the live hydraulics to run the power steering.

First time it was only a hydraulic filter. Second time he split the power steering unit in half, because he took the filter out of the system after it broke. At that point he took the lever right off the old Lift-All unit so the cows couldn't screw it up again.

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Wardner

05-10-2004 10:20:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall M in reply to Novel Idea Guy, 05-10-2004 09:02:06  
It's all in the plumbing. If you exploded the filter, which I assume was on the return side of the circuit, you should have expected another bomb if all you did was remove it. I don't know how you plumbed the reservoir but there should not have been any hardware to separate the flow of the inlet from the outlet in the resevoir. Oil should have been drawn from near the bottom of the liftall and returned to a tee in the filler pipe. This way you could have used both hydraulic systems at the same time with the same oil. I have already done it.

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