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Chains Question 4 WD- Suggestions

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scotty

05-07-2004 06:50:07




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I realize that we just got through one heck of a winter but I like to plan in advance so am looking for some suggestions. I have a 4WD diesel with FEL, ok its not a Farmall, but its red. Anyway its a 32HP machine that weighs 3800 without the loader. Rear tires are loaded and I have also made a counter weight off of the 3pt. AG tires all the way around. Do you think I can get by with just chains on the front or will I need them on all fours? Im thiking the whole machine weighs about 5200-5500.
Any suggestions appreciated.

scotty

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scotty

05-08-2004 05:56:47




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 Re: Chains Question 4 WD- Suggestions in reply to scotty, 05-07-2004 06:50:07  
Thanks all for your input, the machine will be used in Vermont, roads are dirt driveway is dirt about 800 ft long. I will try it with the new tires and the weight and if that dont work will try rear chains. Our first major storm in December was 3 ft so it needs to move some serious snow! Thanks again.

scotty



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riverbend

05-07-2004 20:51:43




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 Re: Chains Question 4 WD- Suggestions in reply to scotty, 05-07-2004 06:50:07  
Even without chains, my neighbor's 4WD Kabota is no match for my H. There must be something wrong with that design. Probably not enough cast iron. Chains transformed the H from so-so to useful. The rears had calcium chloride, but the chains made it push snow. I can keep the yard clear, mostly down to the gravel, in south central MN.



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Wardner

05-07-2004 17:41:37




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 Re: Chains Question 4 WD- Suggestions in reply to scotty, 05-07-2004 06:50:07  
I prioritise effective snow moving enhancements on a tractor in this order.

Weight
Chains
Four wheel drive

As luck would have it, the cheapest enhancements are at the top.

I have a neighbor with a Kubota FWD tractor loader backhoe. When the snow get over 14"-16" he is reduced to taking little bites of snow and moving them to piles behind his machine.

On the other hand, I have a F504 with loaded tires, chains. and sixteen wheel weights. It probably weighs around 9000 lbs. It has an eight foot loader bucket and will push through 24" without spinning a tire. The only thing that will stop it is old iced up snow banks.

I suggest that you add ballast to your tractor. If you still need chains, the weight will make them work better.

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Hugh MacKay

05-07-2004 17:28:16




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 Re: Chains Question 4 WD- Suggestions in reply to scotty, 05-07-2004 06:50:07  
scotty: I wouldn't bother with chains. One item you will find with these offshore built 4x4, most will not stand behind warrenty on rear end and transmission if chains are used. I have heard of a couple of these where dealer told the guy to get rid of the tire chains before sending it for repairs. At the age of your tractor, you are probably the guy paying the repair bill.

IH was the same way with those little British diesels like 275, 434, 444, etc. They wouldn't stand behind them if we used the Canadian ring chains with ice corks. My thinking is the diff lock is the crux of the problem.

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KURT (mi)

05-07-2004 09:24:09




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 Re: Chains Question 4 WD- Suggestions in reply to scotty, 05-07-2004 06:50:07  
I would try another approach if possible, I remember my dad saying that 30 years ago you used to be able to get steel or carbide studs that would screw into the tire treads on cars but it ripped up the roads. Could you do this on Tractor tires? Maybe cheaper then chains.



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Bob M

05-07-2004 08:11:30




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 Re: Chains Question 4 WD- Suggestions in reply to scotty, 05-07-2004 06:50:07  
We had PLENTY of experience operating various tractors in heavy snow here in western NY this past winter!

Far and way the best outfit a JD 5410 4WD with an FEL. Even without chains it would literally run circles around the others - kept going long after the others had become stuck. Next best was a 2WD with loaded tires and fitted with “bull chains” (logger-style, heavy double ring chains). But it had to be steered with the brakes due to poor front wheel steering authority in deep snow. It also rode rough on account of the chains. After that came a 2WD fitted with regular ladder style chains. Finally the 2WD without chains was the slipperiest – it ended up sidelined once the snow depth exceeded 8” or so.

My advice: Try the 4WD first without chains. Depending on how much weight you’ve got on the 3 point, maybe add some weight in front to give it better steering authority with an empty bucket. Then if you do decide chains are required, get ‘em for the rears only – putting chains on the front is probably overkill. However spend the extra and buy double ring or X-style chains. These tend not to fall in between the tire treads and become less effective like regular ladder style chains do - especially if the tires are new and have deep treads.

Punch below for pix of the various chain types...

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Allan

05-07-2004 07:01:18




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 Re: Chains Question 4 WD- Suggestions in reply to scotty, 05-07-2004 06:50:07  
Scotty,

Yep, can't forget this last winter!

My neighbor has a 4 wheel front assist White and he feeds cattle up here in the hills with no chains at all.

He scoots around all over the place and has no trouble whatsoever, but he says he likes to use duals just to help prevent tipping over.

He gets around just fine while the rest of us are stuck.

Allan



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