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Father-in-Law's 154 Low-Boy... Pease help.

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ALAN

04-12-2004 17:58:30




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My Father-in-Law bought a 1970 154 Low-Boy yesterday. It needs the usual items (points, rotor & etc) but it also needs a new throw out bearing and clutch. He didn't get any books with it and the clutch isn't in the normal place. It's right at the front of the tranny, connected to the flywheel with a LONG dirveshaft. Are there any tips to make this an easy job and/or are there any pitfalls to watch out for. I normally work on Massey's (please don't hold that against me...) and any help would be greatly appreciated. Also, is this an IH engine? It's a flat head and looks very much like the Cont. in the MH Pony at 1st glance. Thanks again. - ALAN

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ALAN

04-14-2004 20:43:13




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 Re: Father-in-Law's 154 Low-Boy... Pease help. in reply to ALAN, 04-12-2004 17:58:30  
Thanks for all the info. I printed it out & will show him this wknd. He's contemplating having someone else do it... I think he's a little skittish about taking it that far apart without a full shop to back us up. I think we can do it at his place without much problem. I'll let you know how we make out. thanks again - ALAN



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Bama Binder

04-13-2004 19:37:41




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 Re: Father-in-Law's 154 Low-Boy... Pease help. in reply to ALAN, 04-12-2004 17:58:30  
First suggestion is get a copy of the original parts, repair, and operators manuals from Binder Books. Second, find a friendly IH dealer near you or call Carter and Gruenwald for the parts you will need. I would remove the whole rear end assembly if I were you and then do the job. Removing the rear end isn't too hard. As you know, the clutch is mounted on the front of the transmission rather than the rear of the engine. The good news is that parts for the 154 aren't as expensive as the 184 but not nearly as cheap as the regular Cubs.

Best of luck.

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49 Cubber!

04-12-2004 19:16:09




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 Re: Father-in-Law's 154 Low-Boy... Pease help. in reply to ALAN, 04-12-2004 17:58:30  
I replacd the brakes on my 154 recently,I would suggest you do the same unless the others are in relly good shape as the tranny has to come out for those.Once you get all of the rear sheetmetal off and get the back side of the tranny loose from the fram,there are two big nuts that hold the front of the tranny.You might be able to just loosen them almost all the way off and be able to pull the clutch that way.I have also heard that you can take the shaft loose from the engine and get it out that way.

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Esev

04-12-2004 18:48:13




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 Re: Father-in-Law's 154 Low-Boy... Pease help. in reply to ALAN, 04-12-2004 17:58:30  
Hey Alan, I am no pro here, and I am in a similar situation on my recently aquired 1970 154 Lo-boy. I was lucky and got a photo copied manual with my tractor when I got it. I also got a lot of information from the Cub web sight (www.cleancomputes.com/cub/index.html) including parts manual pages. I was able to remove my clutch without moving the engine forward the two inches (as manual states). I un-did the coupling from the motor and was able to slide the main shaft far enough ahead to get it out of the clutch disc. I was able to get a new disc and pilot bushing from the local I.H. dealer for around $50. My throw out, and pressure plate were OK, but I wouldn't be suprised if they are still available through I.H. too. My dilema was the main shaft had a serious vibration when engaged, indicating pilot bushing problems. When I took it apart I found that there was no pilot bushing present !! Now that I have begun putting it back together, I have found that with the pilot, disc, and pressure plate installed the shaft does not line up with the motor coupling very well (by more than a 1/2 inch), and I am not sure why ??? I started looking for signs of a bent frame, or egg shaped trans axel mounts, but don't see any problems. Now I am guessing that this may be why it ate the pilot bushing (or why it was intentionally left out). What am I missing here, any comments please ????? Thanks, Esev

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Bama Binder

04-13-2004 19:32:31




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 Re: Re: Father-in-Law's 154 Low-Boy... Pease help. in reply to Esev, 04-12-2004 18:48:13  
Esev...have you checked the drive shaft to make sure it is straight? Other than that, I would check the engine mounts and rear axle and make sure no one started moving things around. Since the drive shaft is 4-5' long it wouldn't take much to put you off 1/2" if the engine had been removed and replaced 2-3 degrees off.



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Esev

04-14-2004 14:54:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Father-in-Law's 154 Low-Boy... Pease h in reply to Bama Binder, 04-13-2004 19:32:31  
Thanks for the comments Bama. I did check the shaft when I removed it, and it is good. It is 29 inches long. I checked the motor mounts over, and I don't see where they could create that much slop. I am thinking it has to be in the frame or the trans-axel mounts somewhere, but I don't see it. I have not removed the rear sheet metal yet. Anybody else ever had this problem ?? Any luck getting the main shaft out of your Father-in-law's cub yet Alan ?? Thanks, Esev

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Esev

04-15-2004 15:18:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Father-in-Law's 154 Low-Boy... Pea in reply to Esev, 04-14-2004 14:54:25  
Found my problem --- Tore into back end of the Cub 154 today. Once I removed the back sheet metal and started reefing on the drawbar, the problem became very evident. I found a crack in the frame on the right side just in front of the final drive mounts. I also found three loose bolts on the left side on the final drive and transmission mounts where they bolt through the frame. So now it looks like I gotta tear the whole butt end out of this thing so that I can weld that frame up good. Alan, if you can get that main shaft out, you shouldn't have any trouble getting that clutch out. take care, Esev

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