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Bob

04-11-2004 17:31:12




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I have a farmall H and the part where the hydlics hook up, broke all the way around. Right below the belt pully hook up. The only thing it holding together is the drive shaft in the center. I would like to know if anybody has changed the center section. Also if any body has heard of such a thing before ? I took alot of pitures.




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Larry

04-12-2004 12:36:17




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 Re: H -broke in half- in reply to Bob, 04-11-2004 17:31:12  
I have a parts tractor with a good torque tube if you are interested. I am located in central Indiana.



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Hugh MacKay

04-12-2004 05:29:16




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 Re: H -broke in half- in reply to Bob, 04-11-2004 17:31:12  
Bob: Don't overlook the loose factor. I was at a welding shop once, guy came in with a broken cast spoke wheel from front of an H. Told the weldng shop guy," I guess I was too rough on the old tractor." The welder responded," No, if all the castings are kept tight on an old Farmall even with a loader, there is no man alive, tough enough to withstand and survive what it would take to break them up."
He of course believed collision, running over a cliff or upset the operator would suffer as much or more than tractor.

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Loren Arends

04-11-2004 21:29:08




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 Re: H -broke in half- in reply to Bob, 04-11-2004 17:31:12  
Buy the repair manual and if you can find an old set of steel wheels with about a 1 to 1 1/2 in axel like the rear wheels of an old hay stacker. cut a shaft about 6 inches wider, on each side then the center of the tractor weld a piece of 3 inch channel iron on the shaft between the wheels this is where you can set a bottle jack now get 2 pieces of 2 inch angle Iron about 3 feet long. The wheels set under the front portion of the transmission. The angle iron bolt rear ward on the upper axel housing bolts and then to tabs that you weld to the rear edge of the channel iron. If you have a narrow front tractor you also need to make a tripod angle brace, I use 3 inch angle iron up from the floor to the mid to upper third part of the engine for balance, out about 3 foot on each side with a piece running across to the braces at the bottom. I put 1/4 inch x3x3 plates with a hole in it near the outer edge and put thread rod in it with a nut welded to the bottom as a set of leveling screws then jack the tractor up to level and side the rear away

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Wayne Swenson

04-11-2004 20:32:55




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 Re: H -broke in half- in reply to Bob, 04-11-2004 17:31:12  
Be sure to save your old serial # plate and re-install it on the replacement casting.
My uncle broke his on an H also. Loader and heavy usage will lead to eventual failure. It is a looooo ng casting so has more stress than an M, for example.



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Hugh MacKay

04-11-2004 19:40:43




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 Re: H -broke in half- in reply to Bob, 04-11-2004 17:31:12  
Bob: Leo has nailed it right on. No one I've seen on YT has ever said this before. Where the torque tube fastens to the rear end of tractor there are bolts that have to be tightened up inside and tightened regularly, if you have a loader. My dad broke his when it was only 3 years old. He was leveling after installing a new water line. Started raising the loader and suddenly he had the steering wheel on the front edge of seat. The IH dealer repaired it and that is what he found, loose bolts just enough to let it work a bit. This was a 51 H and loaders were quite new to our area at that time. They had sold hundreds of Hs and my dad's was the first to break of the ones they sold. Some will argue that rough use of the loader is the cause, not so however loader work will cause bolts to loosen and it doesn't need to be rough use as some suggest. My dad did a lot of loader work, having the only loader in the neighborhood, he often had 5 manure spreaders hauling from him as they made the rounds to the 5 to 6 farms.

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Hagan

04-12-2004 16:35:46




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 Re: Re: H -broke in half- in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-11-2004 19:40:43  
Grandpas H was broke in half at the back of the frame rails. It has a little 4x4 patch welded on each rail right in front of where it bolts to the bell housing. Dad said they did it with a Farmhand F10 (farmhand open hay stacker) taking hay out of the stack. He said it would raise the back wheels off the ground and it did one too many times and broke the frame rails.
He said the F10 was used on the M after that

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Hugh MacKay

04-12-2004 18:31:07




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 Re: Re: Re: H -broke in half- in reply to Hagan, 04-12-2004 16:35:46  
Hagan: May I remind you the frame rails are not cast. My dad broke them on the H and 300 both. The narrow front with loader puts a lot of strain on them especially narrow front comes to an obstacle and the tractor has enough traction to go over it. The wide front helps this a lot as most of the time both wheel don't hit and obstacle at the same time.

The M would take this much better as it had heavier frame rails. Oh course it's castings are heavier also. I'm kind of inclined to agree with that welder years ago, the castings will take it as long as they are tight. Even the slightest looseness and cast will be like pottery.

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Jay

04-12-2004 06:12:43




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 Re: Re: H -broke in half- in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-11-2004 19:40:43  
My M is still in storage so can't see it right now. Is this similar on the M? I really prefer maintenance before it happens.



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Hugh MacKay

04-12-2004 14:24:59




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 Re: Re: Re: H -broke in half- in reply to Jay, 04-12-2004 06:12:43  
Jay: I don't think the M is exactly the same, but it is still two pieces of cast bolted together. I would expect most problems to happen with either new tractors or tractors that have been apart for rebuild. Bolts like this should always be retightened after a tractor works for awhile. It never hurts to check anything recently put together, old or new. There used to be a saying in the 50s by tractor sales people." We design and put them together, you tighten them up." Wheels that have recently been off are another you should watch closely. You have no doubt heard of truck wheels coming of on the highway. Those are the ones that have not been checked after 200 miles of running on the highway.

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Leo

04-11-2004 18:27:37




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 Re: H -broke in half- in reply to Bob, 04-11-2004 17:31:12  
My dad told me of this happening to several friends of his years ago. What happens is the bolts holding the two halves together lostened over time. He told me to be sure to check these bolts on the Farmalls I've purchased recently.



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Bob in SE Nebraska

04-11-2004 17:57:05




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 Re: H -broke in half- in reply to Bob, 04-11-2004 17:31:12  
If you are anywhere around Nebraska City, Nebraska, I have an extra torque tube you can have. Will be moving and don't want to take it along with me!

Bob



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CNKS

04-11-2004 17:39:25




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 Re: H -broke in half- in reply to Bob, 04-11-2004 17:31:12  
I have heard of this happening if a loader was mounted and misused. Breaking on its own--no. Unless you were pretending it was a dirt bike or something.



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Dick Davis

04-11-2004 17:38:28




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 Re: H -broke in half- in reply to Bob, 04-11-2004 17:31:12  
Not an uncommon occurance especially with a mounted manure loader. Those loaders that fastened to the engine rails only were especially prone to busting the tractor. Changeing out the torque tube (I think that is the right term)shouldn't be that difficult. Be careful it's heavy and awkward use lots of braces and supports. Post pictures. Dick Davis



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