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Super C Fast Hitch plow help needed

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Dave 2N

04-06-2004 15:47:27




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I have a Super C with a 2 bottom Fast Hitch plow. It's the type with the big spring on the top of the frame. I am trying to locate parts. While plowing, a small piece that I thought to be a "shin" (located in front of the moldboard and shares) broke off both plow bottoms. So I ordered shins but they aren't what I need at all. Now I'm wondering if what I thought were "shins" were really integral parts of the moldboards. I don't have an operator's manual or a parts book. (Any ideas where I might get either of these?) Does anyone know anything about this mold\board-shin situation? My suspicion now is that what I really need is the entire moldboard. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thamks in advance.

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Dave 2N

04-07-2004 07:48:34




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 Re: Super C Fast Hitch plow help needed in reply to Dave 2N, 04-06-2004 15:47:27  
"crock" and Hugh--

I called Empire Tractor in Cazenovia and talked to the parts guy about "crock's" information. Parts guy knew immediately what I wanted and even referred to them as "Spear Points." He's ordered me two of them and will have them shipped to Empire in Cortland for me to pick up next week.

Will let you know the final outcome of all of this next week. Can't tell both of you how appreciative I am for your help.

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Hugh MacKay

04-08-2004 04:38:46




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 Re: Re: Super C Fast Hitch plow help needed in reply to Dave 2N, 04-07-2004 07:48:34  
Dave: Great to hear you are making progress. I had a No.60, 4x16 plow with those same plow chief bottoms. When you started describing what had happened I knew right away what you were dealing with. During the 5 years that I had my plow, I must have planted two dozen of those spear points. The annoying part was you couldn't get them to grow. By the time a spring tooth cultivator brought them to the surface they weren't worth using.

I later acquired another No.60 plow 4x16 with Super Chief bottoms. Much better set up, with the one piece disposable point and share. They had one kinky little problem also. I installed a new set of point-shares one day, started plowing and after a couple of rounds noticed some of them loose. I spent most of the afternoon tightening them. Next morning I called the IH dealers to tell them of my problem. His first question,"Did we give you right hand thread plow bolts?" I said."yes". They had just sold their first rollover plow with Super Chief bottoms. Super Chief bottoms require left hand thread on the right turning moldboards and right hand thread on the left turning moldboard. A new young lad in the parts dept had given me the wrong bolts. I had often wondered why they used left hand thread.

These items are called educating a farmer. The manual does tell about the bolts and thread. To a farmer on his 4th plow, I guess it's a case of reading the manual if all else fails. You could probably switch those Plow Chiefs for Super Chiefs. Watch the auction scene. With Super Chiefs you would have a better plow and one with much better availability of parts, particularly in the future. Just be aware Plow Chief was not used many years, they probably will become hard to find parts for.

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Wayne Swenson

04-07-2004 05:19:55




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 Re: Super C Fast Hitch plow help needed in reply to Dave 2N, 04-06-2004 15:47:27  
Let me get my parts book out; I have the same plow with "Plow Chief" bottoms. If it is the points you need, I have an extra one. (I think)
Got to go to work now but will look tonight.



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Dave 2N

04-07-2004 05:49:49




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 Re: Re: Super C Fast Hitch plow help needed in reply to Wayne Swenson, 04-07-2004 05:19:55  
Wayne-
Thanks for the help. You can email me.



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crockofbc

04-07-2004 04:12:22




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 Re: Super C Fast Hitch plow help needed in reply to Dave 2N, 04-06-2004 15:47:27  
Dave,
I have that same plow. It happens to have type BA bottoms which are the old fashion general purpose chilled shares before the days of throw aways. My recent experience was that I was looking into getting new shares, shins and landsides. None of those parts are still available from the dealer. My local dealer did however tell me that he had some sources of people that sell NOS IH parts from old dealer stock. Within a day he had located some and got back to me with a price. That Case IH dealer is Empire tractor (formerly J.C. Lucas) in Cazenovia, NY phone 315-655-8146.
It sure sounds like you have the plow chief bottoms with the spearhead point. There are 3 different part numbers for that point:
515640R51
519258R11 (hard surface)
526772R11 (not polished)
they all fit any size plow chief bottom. The 526772R11 was still listed in the 1997 case parts price list for $42. If you would post the part numbers of the moldboard and frog Hugh or I could positively get you a part number for that point from our parts catalogs.

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Dave 2N

04-07-2004 05:48:14




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 Re: Re: Super C Fast Hitch plow help needed in reply to crockofbc, 04-07-2004 04:12:22  
crock-
Thanks for your help; between you and Hugh, I think we are close to the answer.
I will look up some numbers and get back to you guys.
The good news is that I live about 45 miles south of Cortland and I'm in Dryden every Tuesday and Thursday and in fact, just yesterday was over at Empire to pick up a couple of spray cans of paint for a Ford Dearborn plow. I have printed your post and will stop by there again tomorrow.
I will get back to you and Hugh with the outcome.

Thanks again.

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Hugh MacKay

04-06-2004 16:43:14




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 Re: Super C Fast Hitch plow help needed in reply to Dave 2N, 04-06-2004 15:47:27  
Dave: Most likely the moldboard and shin are all one piece. Do you know model number of your plow and which type of plow bottom you have. I have a couple of IH plow parts books here that cover about 50 different IH plows. That doesn't cover all of them. However if you could give me some moldboard or frog part numbers, I should be able to find what matches up. Many of the same bottoms are used on different plows.

If you are in Canada or close to border you could have an Ace bottom. In most of US very likely IH General Purpose bottom. If your plow is a 209 or a 211 you could have plow chief or super chief bottoms. These two plows will have trip bottoms and will definately have separate shins. If this plow was bought new with the Super C it is most likely a C-20 with either Ace or General Purpose bottoms.

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Dave 2N

04-06-2004 19:18:13




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 Re: Re: Super C Fast Hitch plow help needed in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-06-2004 16:43:14  
Hugh-

Thanks for the reply. I'm a little slower than the average guy but I might be getting somewhere.
C & G identified the plow as a C-20 and that's the model that I ordered the shins for but as I said above, the shins aren't what I need. They don't even come close to fitting on the set-up that I have.

Looking through Charles Cook's book, "Farmall C & Super C - 1948-1954 - An Advertising History," I came across an ad for a C-295A plow with "Plow Chief Bottoms" and "Spearhead Points." The "Spearhead Points" look like what I am missing; they are the right size and shape and attach in the same way. They look like what I lost when plowing. Does this make any sense to you? If so, and I do need "Spearhead Points," any idea who to contact?

Thanks for your help.

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Hugh MacKay

04-06-2004 19:38:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Super C Fast Hitch plow help needed in reply to Dave 2N, 04-06-2004 19:18:13  
Dave: What you describe sounds very familiar. I would almost bet you have plow chief bottoms. IH didn't use them long as that was the problem, the points kept falling off and of course you burried them. This spear head point you describe, does it have U slot at top end for hold down bolt and a threaded hole on the underside for a second mounting bolt. If so that is clearly plow chief.



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