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1949 Farmall M hydraulic questions

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jamie ivester

03-30-2004 19:33:33




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I'm waiting on some manuals to arrive, but until they do, I'm wondering exactly what I've got. This M has a draw bar, no hydraulic cylinder but has a line running along the right side of the tranny to the rear. I want to convert to a 3 point hitch as cheaply as possible. How do I tell if it has live hydraulics and whats your advice as to my next steps to take. If it doesn't have live hydraulics, what should I do to convert and what should I expect to have to invest in it? This tracter also is a gas/distilate model I assume (one small tank and one big one). I know nothing about this setup... is it ok to just use gas?

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JDW

04-01-2004 16:45:37




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 Re: 1949 Farmall M hydraulic questions in reply to jamie ivester, 03-30-2004 19:33:33  
I have the same set up on my 40. Let me know, if you can find specs for a 3 point, I want to build one for mine...



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jamie ivester

03-31-2004 19:36:05




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 Re: 1949 Farmall M hydraulic questions in reply to jamie ivester, 03-30-2004 19:33:33  
checked it out today, the hyd line isn't live, but there are two capped elbows coming off the left hand side of the tractor... any ideas?



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NDS

04-01-2004 05:28:42




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 Re: Re: 1949 Farmall M hydraulic questions in reply to jamie ivester, 03-31-2004 19:36:05  
That sounds like standard belly pump. Should be one outlet on right side also. I run my Saginaw directly off one of these outlets. To do initial check simply pull back lever that goes to arm in this area on right side. With tractor running at idle in neutral clutch out you should hear motor load up if pump is working. Might be good idea to remove 1/2 inch plug in casting that drops down under tractor in this area drain oil and add 6 qts. non detergent 30 W oil through 1 inch pipe that sticks up through top.

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moonlite

03-31-2004 03:39:00




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 Re: 1949 Farmall M hydraulic questions in reply to jamie ivester, 03-30-2004 19:33:33  
Juniot, You already have one of the best tractors ever built. I would not invest money in all of these add-ons but buy a small utility tractor and keep the model M as is. A three point kid does not perform like a three point tractor.



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NDS

03-31-2004 05:06:54




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 Re: Re: 1949 Farmall M hydraulic questions in reply to moonlite, 03-31-2004 03:39:00  
Everyone has different opinions but I have found the Saginaw works very well on M. Have used one for over 25 years with cultivator, planter, rotary cutter, boom pole, scraper blade etc. with good results. About only thing I would not reccomend it for is moldboard plow. At time I put most of time on M there were several late model 3 point tractors on place so I had something to compare it to. Have special IH cylinders on lift that have adjustable hydraulic stops by slidindg collors on cylinder shafts can stop down travel of lift anywhere you like.

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Dan

03-30-2004 20:38:51




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 Re: 1949 Farmall M hydraulic questions in reply to jamie ivester, 03-30-2004 19:33:33  
If you have a single hydraulic line running to the rear it probably does not have live hydraulics. Key is where does the line go on the tractor. If it has live hydraulics it will have a pump ahead of the distributor. Will have 2 lines running from it toward the center unit, behind the engine and bell housing. Not sure what a live pump will cost, I believe from what has been said here that a pump from a super M will not attach, you have to get a different front cover. If you get a live pump and want 2 way hydraulics you will need a separate valve. As fara s 3 point it think the best is a Saginaw, it comes with 2 hydraulic cylinders and if you have 2 way hydraulics can be used with down pressure. Not cheap as will run near 700 plus valve and hoses. I have seen live pumps on the adds here and on ebay, also 3 point conversions. As far as the front, again there are wide fronts advertised in photo adds and sometimes on e bay. Have considered one myself but I live in Washington and most seem to be in midwest or east. They are fairly heavy and would cost a bunch to ship if you could. You will pay about $750 ob more for a good one. You sometimes see schwartz units for less. I don't know if anyone still makes conversions, Steel Wheel ranch advertises parts for them and their adds say they have used wide fronts. Check salvage yards but they are quite popular. I prefer the 2 front wheel narrow front to single wheel and those are pretty easy to find and much cheaper. Once you get a wide front you will want power steering. Again you see char lyn conversion units here and on e bay but not cheap. Good luck on your tractor, many posibilities for add ons you mention just need enough green in your wallet.

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jamie

03-30-2004 21:00:34




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 Re: Re: 1949 Farmall M hydraulic questions in reply to Dan, 03-30-2004 20:38:51  
I think I will go with the saginaw. For now, I assume that it will work just fine with only power lift for moving hay and such. I'm not too familiar with the hydraulic system (will take a look though) but I believe its not live. I take it that in order to have two way power (up and down), i must also have a live system? pardon the ignorance... thanks for your help



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Wayne Swenson

03-31-2004 05:32:13




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 Re: Re: Re: 1949 Farmall M hydraulic questions in reply to jamie, 03-30-2004 21:00:34  
You can plumb in a 2-way valve that will allow your Lift-All to act like a live system (except when you push in the clutch).



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jamie ivester

03-30-2004 19:36:42




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 Re: 1949 Farmall M hydraulic questions in reply to jamie ivester, 03-30-2004 19:33:33  
Almost forgot... this is also has a narrow front end. Where do I look for parts to convert to a wide front end. Does anyone make a conversion kit?



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Wayne Swenson

03-30-2004 21:00:11




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 Re: Re: 1949 Farmall M hydraulic questions in reply to jamie ivester, 03-30-2004 19:36:42  
Original IH wide fronts were made for the M.
Salvage yards can assist you but expect to spend $500 or more.
Schwartz wide fronts were also popular in that era; again, the salvage yard will be the place to look.
You might want to check the classified or picture ads or the auction on this YT Mag site.
Go to the top left & do a search under each category.



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jamie ivester

03-30-2004 21:03:10




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 Re: Re: Re: 1949 Farmall M hydraulic questions in reply to Wayne Swenson, 03-30-2004 21:00:11  
thanks. I have a twin tire narrow front by the way. The wide front end will most likely be a couple years away if I ever decide to actually change it anyway so hopefully I'll be able to locate one reasonbly by then... and power steering.



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