Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Farmall & IHC Tractors Discussion Forum
:

IH manual for 364 question (manual #GSS1442)

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
Greg

03-27-2004 22:36:40




Report to Moderator

I notice that an IH GSS1442 manual is supposed to be for the 354 364 and 2300A tractors. But I have seen some for sale that only say they are for the 354 and 2300A. What gives? Keep in mind, I have seen the covers printed both ways - including the 364 and excluding it yet they both say they are the GSS1442 manual. Are they EXACTLY the same even though some of the manuals don't say they are for the 364? I'm trying to buy one for my 364 and just want to be sure.

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
lee

03-28-2004 19:20:51




Report to Moderator
 Re: IH manual for 364 question (manual #GSS1442) in reply to Greg, 03-27-2004 22:36:40  
The lonely world of the 354 and possibly lonlier 364!

My manual GSS1442 reads 354/364/2300A Tractor Chassis on a stick-on label on the upper right front cover. It says CHASSIS 354, 364, 2300A Tractors on the first page of the book. This page is some kind of revisions page and perhaps it was a revision which added the 364 model as being covered by this manual. The next page says 354 and 2300A Tractors. From here on and throughout the book there is nothing specifically written mentioning 2300A or 364. Engines mentioned are BD144 (Diesel), BC144 (gas).
This is not the only manual for the 354 tractor and there may be others specific to 364. I also have an IH Operators Manual for 354, (the number is missing), an engine overhaul specs manual covering BD144, BC144, BD154. The number is GSS1358. I also have a parts manual BT19 for 354 and 2300 Tractors. Have you contacted Case IH dealer or Case IH directly for a list of publications available for your particular tractor Chassis serial and engine #. I would suggest you do this and have them tell you what manuals apply and how to get them. Small problem, you can spend a small fortune on manuals. In my case, with this tractor in a million pieces, I need all of them and maybe more.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Greg

03-29-2004 05:58:47




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: IH manual for 364 question (manual #GSS144 in reply to lee, 03-28-2004 19:20:51  
Thanks Lee. I have not contacted a dealer. I have just been looking around on the net. I contacted a person who had the GSS1442 manual for sale but it did not include the 364. They say it was printed in 1972 (before the 364?) and only included 3 3/8" bore engines which I don't think includes the 364's BD154 engine. Anyway, I'll keep digging and just make sure when I buy a GSS1442 manual, it is the later revised version like you have. What does the "engine manual" have that the GSS1442 manual not include on the engine?

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
lee

03-29-2004 07:03:34




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: IH manual for 364 question (manual #GS in reply to Greg, 03-29-2004 05:58:47  
Manual 1442 is a Chassis Manual. Mine is GSS1442W/Revision 1, July 1974. It covers very little on the engines. How to remove and install. A little bit about the fuel systems and air filter. It does not go into any detail on carb or injection pump. It is quite general on electrical with no electrical schematics. It is rather complete on everything else mechanical from front to rear. For example, it is complete enough to get thru complete rebuild of the hydraulic housing and hydraulic system including the control valves and pressure pumps.
The engine manual (if you can call it a manual, it is only 18 pages) is really an engine specifications manual. It lists dimensions and tolerances for all engine components. It covers BD144, BC144 and BD154. The BD154 had 3.5 bore which meant larger pistons, larger bore sleeves, but other than that all the specs for it are the same as BD144. Like I said, get with a dealer and get the master list of CASE IH publications and see which ones are applicable to your machine. You are likely aware you will want to get in a position to handle all your own repairs as finding
a dealer who knows these and will work on these tractors reasonable will be next to impossible.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Greg

03-29-2004 18:13:28




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: IH manual for 364 question (manual in reply to lee, 03-29-2004 07:03:34  
I'm awful disappointed that the GSS1442 manual doesn't have electrical schematics. I have no idea where a person would get them for the 364 if they aren't in this manual. I find that there are the following IH manuals for the 364:

1092916 Operator's manual
BT20 Parts manual
GSS1356 Engine tune up specs
GSS1358 Engine service BC144 BD144 BD154
GSS1442 Chassis Service 354, 364, 2300
ITIH 201 IT Shop manual

Hech Lee, the way I see it from the list above, if the GSS1442 doesn't have electrical schematics then surely none of the others do. I guess IH never put them in a manual? Maybe the ITIH201 manual has them? Have you ever seen the IT manual on this tractor to know for sure? The tractor I'm buying has been rewired by my friend that currently owns it but the charging system isn't working and the glow plugs are there but not working. He had problems keeping the glow plugs working even before the rewire so he simply didn't wire them back up. I used to run this tractor for him cutting hay several years ago. We could use sandpaper to clean the wires between each glow plug ever so often and they would work great for a month or so. They never appeared to need cleaning but this seemed to work. Someone on this forum (was it you?) said they had the same problem with there 364 and they said it was a fault of the glow plug switch. He said he replaced the switch with an old floor mounted car starter switch and his have worked fine ever since. Have you ever heard of this glow plug problem on the 364 and 354's? Also, I am interested in your comment about me working on the 364 myself because it's unlikely I'll find a dealer that will know anything about them. First let me say, I will do everything to the 364 myself. I love working on my own equipment - it's part of the joy of owning it to me. But still, that being said, are these tractors that rare and obsolete that dealers don't know much about them? Heck, it makes me wonder if I should go ahead and buy the thing if they are so rare? I surely don't want to own something that I can't get parts for and information about (like the electrical schematics). That statement kind of scares me about my 364 purchase???

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
lee

03-29-2004 19:22:11




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH manual for 364 question (ma in reply to Greg, 03-29-2004 18:13:28  
Strangely enough you will find electrical schematics in the parts manual. My parts manual is BT19 and it is quite useful as it has explosion views and detailed parts lists of everything on the tractor. So when you go to the IH dealer you take this parts book and show him what you want. I haven't seen the IT manual.
I didn't mean to scare you in talking about the dealers. You just have to think about it a while and realize these machines are not like the letter series. The dealers are going to know the H, M, A, B. They are going to have to work a little harder on the 354, 364. Even the B275
(predecessor to 354, uses BD144 engine) seems to be more well known by my dealer. They will have your tractor on microfiche. As for this forum, if you have a problem with an H and you post it there are 100 guys who know the tractor. On this board there are only a few guys who have familiarity with the British tractors sold in US and Canada B275, 354, 364, etc.. These tractors were only built a few years and not in huge numbers. Guy Fay doesn't know them and he's the IH (i guess I should add letter series) expert. As for parts from dealers I can't tell you exactly what they may or may not have. They should have most all the regular stuff, brake disks, clutch disks, bearings, gaskets, seals, engine parts for sure. Don't expect that parts will be cheap. Tractor parts are not cheap and some parts may seem down right outrageous. But that's true of all tractors. Beyond that, if they have it great, but if they don't you need to find it at a salvage yard. There just aren't that many of these tractors at the yards. But don't despair, you will be able to find parts if you are willing to search for them. The internet is your source for finding parts and salvage yards. As far as your glow plug problem, that is a very simple circuit that you will be able to figure out and fix. And as for the BD144, BD154 engines, they are very good engines. So if your tractor is all there and essentially all working you should be OK. Don't just take my word. Go see your Case IH dealer. Ask those guys about the tractor and parts.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Greg

03-30-2004 05:39:39




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH manual for 364 question in reply to lee, 03-29-2004 19:22:11  
Lee the tractor I am going to buy I know well. My good friend is only the second owner and he knew the original owner well. I ran it for 3 or 4 hay seasons cutting hay with a 9' IH sickle mower. It is mechanically sound and has low hours. We don't know exactly how many hours as the tach drive at the engine block isn't working or the tach itself is broken. I will get it, fix the charging circuit and it is ready to use. I will gradually fix the tach problem, glow plugs, fuel gage/sending unit, diff lock and leaking steering cylinder. I don't anticipate the glow plugs being a problem but when I ran the tractor virtually everday a few years ago, they did act crazy. Wouldn't work one day, I would sandpaper the little wires between each glow plug and they would work perfect. In a couple of months they would quit and I would have to do it again. Like I said, one poster on this board said it was a problem with the factory switch, his had done the same. But an old floor mounted starter switch fixed his for good. Is your 354 a diesel and have you had glow plug problems?

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
lee

03-30-2004 06:38:13




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IH manual for 364 ques in reply to Greg, 03-30-2004 05:39:39  
This tractor is a Diesel BD144. I've never run it. I got it from a guy in trade for some work. It was essentially a parts tractor. I've torn it down completely and I am working to restore it. It is in piece parts with near everything painted and ready for assembly. Right now it's in boxes moving to GA. I can believe the switch could be the problem. Other than that all you have is some heavy gauge wire and some connections. Make sure all connections are clean and tight. I know a guy with a B275, BD144 Diesel, he's never complained of glow plug problems. The set-up is similar to a lot of different diesel tractors out there.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy