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After Market Parts -- Need a little HELP

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BIG JOHN

03-27-2004 17:25:58




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At my age I don't work very fast. I spent most of one day trying to get a battery box off of a SMTA. Seat came off easy. Had to cut box off so I could get to the hold down bolts. They ofcourse were a pain after years of battery acid. finally got the bolts out and the platform cleaned up and primed ready to put on the new box.

After market box was of good quality and looked to be a perfect match. NOT quite. The rear bolt down brackets had bolt holes that were a size to small to accept the bolts. Drilled them out and reinstalled the box only to find that the grounding bolt and post would not clear the opening in the rear of the box. Once again had to remove the box and cut the opening bigger and put on more primer. Finally on the third try the box is installed.

These are just small problems that wouldn't cost one red cent to correct. I am continually amaized that these after market products arn't build to better specks than they are. I would think that the manfacturer would have an orginal item to speck out the after marked item from so there shouldn't be any difference in the after market item.

Sure would make life a lot easier for this old man if everything fit like it should.

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gauger

03-27-2004 21:17:55




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 Re: After Market Parts -- Need a little HELP in reply to BIG JOHN, 03-27-2004 17:25:58  
Whew! Now what do I do? I've been through my OEM Tractor Parts catalog and have my list made. I had planned on ordering about $800 worth of stuff for my SH. Is their stuff really that bad?



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CNKS

03-28-2004 07:47:31




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 Re: Re: After Market Parts -- Need a little HELP in reply to gauger, 03-27-2004 21:17:55  
I won't say their stuff is that bad. I have bought several hundred dollars worth from them and never returned any of it. Unless you are an absolute purist, when installed it cannot be told from factory IH products. Just don't be surprised if you have to do some minor (I emphasize minor) modifications. OEM does have some items that cannot be purchased new anywhere else.



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Jonathan Mirgon

03-27-2004 19:53:26




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 Re: After Market Parts -- Need a little HELP in reply to BIG JOHN, 03-27-2004 17:25:58  
I too have had the same problems, Battery box for my (A) was far from a bolt on, All holes were off so far that they had to be drilled out 3/8 of in inch bigger. P.t.o shield did not fit either, those holes had to be drilled out nearly a half inch bigger ! just leaving enough metal left to hold it on. Hood for the (a) has a bulge in it at the gas tank, it sticks out about 1/8 of in inch more than it should, It looks like the sheet metal they cut was to big. All of the above parts came from O.E.M. I guess I would still rather run a drill, then get rusted up used parts and glob bondo on/ and run a piece of sand paper for hours on end.

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CNKS

03-27-2004 20:24:19




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 Re: Re: After Market Parts -- Need a little HELP in reply to Jonathan Mirgon, 03-27-2004 19:53:26  
Looks like mine or John's problems were not isolated incidents, the holes for my new serial tag were wrong, also. The wiring harness for my Super H had a battery cable for a Super MTA, too long (they did say it was for an MTA in their kit description, though). I only replace those parts I can't fix. The original hoods are sometimes hard to repair, but at least they fit.



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CNKS

03-27-2004 19:35:24




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 Re: After Market Parts -- Need a little HELP in reply to BIG JOHN, 03-27-2004 17:25:58  
I had exactly the same problem with my Super H. both inside holes had to be enlarged, along with one of the legs. Then, I put it on without looking at where the ground cable went (old box was a cobbled up mess), had to take it off and make the opening bigger, as you did. My box came from OEM Tractor Parts -- they say they make the boxes themselves from original IH blueprints. IF so their quality control is not very high. HOWEVER, I am very glad to be able to get brand new parts, even if they do require modification. I'm sure this won't be the last time. I'm not going to get down on "corporate America" as much as Hugh does, as OEM has big bucks in their manufacturing process, they just need to improve their quality control -- their business is expanding, perhaps they will get their act together.

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Hugh MacKay

03-29-2004 03:34:42




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 Re: Re: After Market Parts -- Need a little HELP in reply to CNKS, 03-27-2004 19:35:24  
CNKS: That is one of the problems with todays society. Oh, if it's not right we'll just put up with it. I happen to get an OEM catalogue, and for the prices they charge they should be 100% correct with everything.

In the past we have had discussions on here regarding the demise of IH, often with reference to the book A Corperate Tragety. The consences is IH went down because corperate managers were out of touch with the customer. There opinion was they were going to sell us what they considered we needed. Plain and simple they forgot one principle of business," That being the costomer is always right."

Did they forget, or were they just ahead of their time. Today every major corperation out there is operating exactly as IH did. It's just a case of build it and convince the public they need it. Oh sure they put in the items the public are asking for, but how much more useless crap along with it.

A few things I see, North America did not embrace the front wheel drive car to the extent Corperate America took it. Just look at how light truck sales soared. Look at household appliances, quality is no more, it's use it 5 years and throw it out. Some of us do like the option. New cars, trucks, tractors and any other motorized vehicles are being carted off to the dealer two and three times per year. You hear of tractor customers being without their two year old tractor for the entire planting season. That never happened in the 1950s, 60s and 70s. I bought 3 new cars, 2 new pickups, 6 new tractors during 60 and 70 and not one of them were ever back to the dealer within ten years, car and trucks never. Since being involved here at YT, I can tell you one thing. I put a whole lot more hours on tractors than average.

No my friend, the same corperate intrests pull the purse strings at OEM as every where. No one ever looks when you are a 5 man shop. As you said OEM has invested heavily. Building parts exclusively for we the antique tractor guys, NO.

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Hugh MacKay

03-27-2004 18:45:03




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 Re: After Market Parts -- Need a little HELP in reply to BIG JOHN, 03-27-2004 17:25:58  
John: Corperate America is working on you. They have it figured if they can get you thoroughly disgusted with aftermarket parts for your B, MTA, etc. the sooner you'll be buying that new compact 4x4 that will only last 10 years and no rebuilds. You just think about it, once they have our generation and half of the next generation out of the way, they have got it made.

Lets face it, if any significant number of Super A, Super MTA, 450, 656, etc. survive the 100 year mark in commercial agriculture, how will they ever explain why a new Farmall 2004 model will only last 15 years. I'm not so sure CNH doesn't already have a bounty on our old tractors. Starting to hear some stories on tractor wreckers that can't sell you a tractor, regardless of your offer.

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Andy Martin

03-27-2004 19:42:29




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 Re: Re: After Market Parts -- Need a little HELP in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-27-2004 18:45:03  
Wow Hugh!

I've been accused of hoarding tractors but now I feel like a national hero.

Thanks, Andy



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