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Why Cant things be the way they used to be???

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Tommy H

03-26-2004 22:15:30




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This question was asked in a previous topic.

seriously, why has the quality of products plummeted, but the prices skyrocket?

Look at cars of today, cant work on them, computer controlled...crap! Wheres the fun in it?
Plastic bumpers..., give me 1/2" steel anyday!
Chrome plated steel accents...since when did this become a sin? Why now is the only shiny thing on the car the rims? Nasty rims at that!
The body panels are supposed to protect you in an impact...but in a battle between plastic, and concrete, or plastic and metal...Id let plastic fend for itself. Get into a fender bender today, and the car is totalled...thusly insurance is outrageous! Back in the day, you smack somebody, there bumper was fine, yours was fine..no big deal. just bolt a new bumper on if it was dented. And for the most part you got a different body style each year...nowadays, you may got for 6-7 years before anything is changed.

Look at groundscare, farming equipment. For the most part, its junk. Everyone has bought everyone else out, so now...you have multiple brands, with a single manufacturer. And the prices vary...
The quality has dropped severly! More plastic than steel!, stamped metal frames...skimpy belts, decks that rust through in a year. Blades that you simply can sharpen due to the fact that they disntegrate.

Trucks of today are weak sissy versions of there ancestors. They are held back by there rev limiters, computers and design flaws. You cant do nearly the stuff you could 30 years ago, and they looked better then anyhow!

Houses today are thrown up in a matter of weeks, cheaper products are used, and the quality of labor is tiny if that! few tak pride in there actions anymore, its just a paycheck to them now.

Sorry for the rant..but as a child of the 90's, who wishes he was back in the 60's...hehe it had to be done.

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gauger

03-27-2004 21:22:28




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 Re: Why Cant things be the way they used to be??? in reply to Tommy H, 03-26-2004 22:15:30  
Come on Hugh...., the 70's prosperous????



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Hugh MacKay

03-28-2004 13:19:24




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 Re: Re: Why Cant things be the way they used to be in reply to gauger, 03-27-2004 21:22:28  
gauger: I will admit by the time the 70s were over so were the good times down on the farm and as the farmers go so goes rural America. I should say that is how it used to be when country folk were all country employed. By now we have so many city employed country folk, we probably couldn't sort out the city economy from the country economy.

From the time the great depression was mid way until the mid 1970s North American farmers as group amassed tremendous net worth. There may be some pockets of the ag community that did not however.

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Andy Martin

03-27-2004 20:10:40




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 Re: Why Cant things be the way they used to be??? in reply to Tommy H, 03-26-2004 22:15:30  
Do you have a $5,000 lawn mower? Or do you opt to buy a $1,000 mower and expect it to last like a $5,000 model?

Do you buy Snap-on tools or settle for Popular Mechanics from Wal-Mart?

If you are like the average American, you want the lowest price for acceptable quality. The result is far less quality than in the past for the hardware portions of equipment. But it is still acceptable to most consumers. Therefore the higher quality products disappear from the new market. I could not afford to buy a new A Farmall (4 cyl inline water cooled 60 inch deck) to mow with, if anyone did make them.

The letter series Farmalls were designed in the same time frame as the 16 cylinder Cadillac, the Cord, Pierce Arrow, B-17, P-38, Hoover Dam turbines etc. Good engineering. They are still efficient tractors in their hp range IF you can get by without high pressure hydraulics, 3-point hitches, power steering, cabs and air conditioning. Most of the emphasis on tractors since the '30's has been higher horsepower through higher RPM's and less weight to keep costs down.

I enjoy working 48 HP tractors which cost $1,000 and get 12 hp-hr/gal with very very little maintenance compared to high speed engines.

But I am using a computer right now and plan on replacing it within two years for the price of a 50 year old M.

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john d

03-27-2004 19:21:30




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 Re: Why Cant things be the way they used to be??? in reply to Tommy H, 03-26-2004 22:15:30  
Some of the problems you mention with the newer stuff is because things are engineered to last only for as long as the typical user will want them. If most people only keep a lawnmower for 5 years or so, that's about what they are built to last. Home construction? You likely couldn't afford to pay for a home built to today's codes using 1960's methods and materials. The labor costs would be staggering.
Having been in a couple of car wrecks when "men were men and bumpers were made of steel," well...I don't want another one, but if I have to, I'll take the plastic bumper and the air bag, thank you! If you ever had the pleasure of trying to stop a '56 Olds in a hurry from 70 mph before the brakes completely cooled off from a previous stop, you'd be happy to ride in today's cars. By the way, that Olds was a real cruiser, but 20 mpg was out of reach.
Somebody down the page mentioned POLIO. That and a bunch of other childhood diseases are no longer the threat they used to be. I was born in 1944. If antibiotics hadn't come along for my childhood, I certainly wouldn't be here. Not everything new is an improvement, but I lived through the 60s. They weren't that much fun.

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Hugh MacKay

03-27-2004 20:33:22




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 Re: Re: Why Cant things be the way they used to be in reply to john d, 03-27-2004 19:21:30  
John: I'm just two years older than you. I'd almost give my right arm to have the economics of the 50s, 60s and 70s back. One of the most prosperous eras in rural North America. It didn't matter if your car only gave 20mpg or how long it lasted. My dad milked 25 cows in the 50s, raised 5 boys and bought a new Chevy every two years. He also bought 4 new tractors and his first hay baler, and built a new barn.

In those three decades your very cheapest transportation was a new Ford, Chevy or Dodge every two years, and yes probably 100% built in North America. That is exactly why we were well off. Then someone raised all these cheap Bas#$%2, that thought if they could buy off shore, for less money and live in ultra luxury. What it will ever take to get them to catch on we all need to make money.

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Bus Driver

03-27-2004 16:27:52




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 Re: Why Cant things be the way they used to be??? in reply to Tommy H, 03-26-2004 22:15:30  
If you were living at that time and bought a new Model A Ford, top speed of the car was 60 MPH and then only for short periods of time. It would need some internal engine repairs at 40,000 miles. Battery would last less than 2 years. Tires might last 10,000 miles, but on a set of 4, at least one of them would suffer major carcass damage requiring replacement before the original tread was worn out. I like a lot of things about today's products.

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big fred

03-27-2004 15:59:29




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 Re: Why Cant things be the way they used to be??? in reply to Tommy H, 03-26-2004 22:15:30  
Well, since I'm alive thanks to medical procedures developed in the '60's, I think I'll stick with the present. Besides, I got a '95 truck with 180K and a '96 car with 210K miles that still got a couple good years in 'em. And if I get in a bad accident, the car is designed to absorb the impact so my body doesn't have to. Last set of tires I got went over 50K miles and even though I kept checkin the air pressure, I never did hafta add any. A new house is cheaper to heat than an old house, and can be built cheaper because the new wiring and plumbing dang near installs itself. I can travel halfway around the world in a day if I need to, but thanks to telecommunications and the internet, I can also do business with someone half a world away without traveling.

I think I'll live in the present, thanks anyway.

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KURT

03-27-2004 15:25:12




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 Re: Why Cant things be the way they used to be??? in reply to Tommy H, 03-26-2004 22:15:30  
You are right on most things, but I have a 1997 escort that runs great and has 125,000 miles on it, I have been very fortunate. The car companies realized a few years back that people who lease the cars only need the cars to last through the lease and then some poor sap will buy the car in an auction and he has to deal with the problems.



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Phil GA

03-27-2004 08:33:54




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 Re: Why Cant things be the way they used to be??? in reply to Tommy H, 03-26-2004 22:15:30  
Just think, 40 or 50 years from now, if the Lord doesn't come before then, folks will be looking back at this time as "the good old days". All from a person's point of view, I guess.



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John *.?-!.* cub owner

03-27-2004 05:41:50




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 Re: Why Cant things be the way they used to be??? in reply to Tommy H, 03-26-2004 22:15:30  
Progress has it's good and bad points. The cars of today don't seem as sturdy as they did 35 years ago, but I had to put floorboards in my 70 Chev pu aobut 5 years ago when the gas pedal fell on the highway. The modern vehicle, if you don't deliberately try to destroy it will last 2 to 4 times as many miles as one made in the 60s. Also I have no desire to go back to carrying water, using the outhouse or a chamberpot, or cutting wood with a crosscut saw (only did that a little, but didn't like it).

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JOE 350 DIESEL

03-27-2004 05:32:03




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 Re: Why Cant things be the way they used to be??? in reply to Tommy H, 03-26-2004 22:15:30  
You are rigth things are sure different, but think about it, do you think the average American could live like they did back then, no cable t.v., no pizza delivered to there house 3 times a week, no body they can pay to cut there grass or shovel there snow. Its kindof sad but this country has gone SOFT.
P.S. keep the American made tractors running



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Bob

03-27-2004 05:20:35




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 Re: Why Cant things be the way they used to be??? in reply to Tommy H, 03-26-2004 22:15:30  
AAhhh-- Isn't it grand. I was born in 39 on a dairy farm. Stripping behind the big brothers who milked, shoveling the gutters, carrying water to the house, and wood, we fell, cut, split and stacked all summer just to keep warm and eat, in winter. But fond memories of following Dad down a fresh furrow behind the horses. getting tired and being swung up onto a draft horse where you were almost as high as the birds. The air was cleaner and the food was better. But I dont want to go back. I just like to pretend with the old tractors and equipment on the "west 40"!

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Dave G

03-27-2004 05:09:08




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 Re: Why Cant things be the way they used to be??? in reply to Tommy H, 03-26-2004 22:15:30  
There is both good and bad with the new stuff. It is all driven by "business". I like to use the term "bean counter". It is our duty as a consumer to demand something with value to help keep the quality part in check. Otherwise they would sell you expensive junk. It is all this business game that drives it all and the consumer is part of it. How many people go to Walmart because they can get things the cheapest???? I try to look for value which takes into account both cost and product quality.

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Ron/PA

03-27-2004 04:12:55




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 Re: Why Cant things be the way they used to be??? in reply to Tommy H, 03-26-2004 22:15:30  
No thanx, I'll learn to live with progress. I really don't want to go back to, picking rocks by hand, picking corn by hand, loose hay, bagging oats off of the combine, and mostly that long trip on a snowy -5º night to the outhouse! LOL
Ron



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Merlin

03-27-2004 04:05:57




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 Re: Why Cant things be the way they used to be??? in reply to Tommy H, 03-26-2004 22:15:30  
Ah Yes, "Memory Lane". That sure is a long lane. One memory as a kid was sitting on the fender pouring gas in the carburetor of an old beat up car for my Dad in order to take Mom to town. Another was wrapping an inter tube around a transmission to keep the oil in. My first construction job happen to be union and was shut down because they brought some steel in from a foreign country. I remember the first foreign car I ever saw. It was a Toyota pick-up and everyone around was laughing at it. I remember when starters and heaters were an option. Mom promising us one day to get a radio that you can "see" the people in. We are in a throw away society now, and yes, I would go back if it were possible.

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Missourian

03-27-2004 03:43:54




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 Re: Why Cant things be the way they used to be??? in reply to Tommy H, 03-26-2004 22:15:30  
In 1969 I bought a 56 mercury which was TOTALLY worn out at 60,000 miles. Last fall sold a 1993 Lincoln with 150,000 which was still a better car than the 1963 Ford that i bought new out of the show room. Now have a Lincoln LS which goes 80 mph at only 2500 rpm. They are built much better now and are capable of lasting 4 times as long. Good thing about the electronic parts they seldom cause trouble. MY 1963 nFord and the mercury had to be tuned at every 10,00 miles and the 93 Lincoln only had spark plugs and wires replaced at 90,000 miles. If cars still had breaker points there would not be enough mechanics to keep them tuned.

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Wayne

03-26-2004 22:46:54




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 Re: Why Cant things be the way they used to be??? in reply to Tommy H, 03-26-2004 22:15:30  
Well said!! I was born in '68 and wish sorta wish it had been back in '38. Ilove the old stuff and despise 99.9% the new stuff. Equipment, cars, trucks, etc etc are all supposed to be so much more technologically advanced and therefore "better" than they were even a few years ago. To me if being advanced means being junk, whic it seems like that's what it means, then you can keep all your advancements and give me a good quality, American made, real steel product made in the good old days because it will still be going long after this new junk has been scrapped and is being made into yet more new junk.

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jeff

03-27-2004 00:30:35




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 Re: Re: Why Cant things be the way they used to be in reply to Wayne, 03-26-2004 22:46:54  
I was born in 1950 and I was a few years too late. I love steam engines and the railroads were all EX-steam by the time I had a camera and could drive. NOW just think for one minute. If I were born maybe 30 years earlier there would be WWII and Korea. There would be the dust bowl and the depression. And I will tell you I would be dead at least five times and my sister about four times due to advances in medical care. Rose glasses are great! I would love to visit but not stay. When in the H-ll are they going to invent a time machine!? Jeff

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Dick Davis

03-27-2004 02:38:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Why Cant things be the way they used t in reply to jeff, 03-27-2004 00:30:35  
Jeff, you're right. When you drift down memory lane don't forget polio. It is as strong a memory of my childhood as is driving H's, M's and B Farmalls. My Nickel Dick Davis



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steveormary

03-27-2004 09:52:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Why Cant things be the way they us in reply to Dick Davis, 03-27-2004 02:38:40  
Well ya, I was born in 1938.We didnt have electricity untill 1947-48. But we had running water in the house. It ran on two feet. We heated and cooked with wood. Later went to popane for cooking but still used wood for heat untill about 2000. There was plenty of dead fall around that had to be cleaned up anyhow. First tractor was a hard starting F-12. At 8 or 9 I was driving it for raking hay,hauling bundles and whatever. 1948 we got a new TE-20 Ferguson. Much better for me. As for health and modern medical treatment I would probably be dead by now without it. Enuf.

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