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Hugh MacKay=== update on those plows

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rex simpkins

03-14-2004 04:00:35




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I forgot to mention one set of the 2 point hitch plows is small prongs and the other is large prongs I belive the small prongs are model # C-20 any idea on differences on the two or model # of the large prong 2 bottom. Sorry to be a pest but as my Pappy told me "the only way to get an answer is to ask someone who knows more than you" Thanks Rex




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hugh MacKay

03-14-2004 06:36:55




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 Re: Hugh MacKay=== update on those plows in reply to rex simpkins, 03-14-2004 04:00:35  
Rex: One of the problems with plows and in particular these fast hitch plows, is I think they could all be ordered with small or large forks. Then you factor in 5 two furrow models; C-20, C-25, 209, 209A and 211. Add to that different widths of cut; 10", 11" and 12" used the same width bottom, some 14" and 16" were the same while others not. Then you add to that Ace, General Purpose, Plow Chief and Super Chief. Generally speaking I think you will find the C-20 and C-26 are from the 50s with 10", 11", 12" and 14" either Ace or General Purpose bottoms. Getting into the 60s are the 209, 209A and 211, 14" and 16", Plow Chief or Super Chief bottoms complete with trip beams. I think it would also be safe to say the majority of the C-20 and C-26 were small fork for SC, 200 and 230. The later 1960s plows were probably primarily large fork as the 240 tractor came with large sockets on hitch. The aforementioned plows were all two bottom. There were also C-30, C-36, 309, 309A and 311, being coresponding 3 furrow plows. Building plows was much like building a fence, you used necessary components to get the job done. If that doesn't confuse the issue enough, there were also on farm modifications. Sounds like you are into that. I have one candidate for that.

I have an A-295 plow I converted to 1 point fast hitch. I have since acquired a 296 one point fast hitch plow. Both plows 2x12, with same mold boards, coulters, etc. I have offered the converted plow for sale couple of times, even gave 2 guys demonstrations. The plow does excellent work, but everyone believes I should sell it for $50. In actual fact I have probably $300. worth of plow bottom parts plus the fast hitch pull beam , I had fabricated at a cost of $85. That precise pull beam has many possibilities on fabrications I haven't even dreamed up yet.

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rex

03-14-2004 08:12:54




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 Re: Re: Hugh MacKay=== update on those plows in reply to hugh MacKay, 03-14-2004 06:36:55  
I think its begining to sink in, I walked out to look at all of it the large prong plows have moldbords with shins the moldboard # that I need on those plows is O-3096. The small prong plows have moldboards with no separate shin, but the mounted "C" plows have replaceable shins, what I am doing is taking 3 sets of plows and trying to make 1 good set, however I found a set on a dealer lot that looked real good with coulters for $250 I am wondering if I should just sell what I have and get that set. I guess another point would be that neither of the sets I have are trip bottoms the small prong set has the large sring mounded on the very top, while the large prong set the spring is mounted lower in the frame, where can I find replacement parts for these? can I change them to plow chief, or supers? Thanks again Rex

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Hugh MacKay

03-14-2004 09:02:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Hugh MacKay=== update on those plows in reply to rex, 03-14-2004 08:12:54  
Rex: What size of tractor are you going to use? Those spring cushion in the pull beam do a good job with the SC, 200 and 230, as they will give good protection for the traction and power at hand. Not sure this would still be the case with a 300, 350, etc. or larger tractor. Also unless you are getting into a lot of higher speed plowing , I'm not sure you will be pleased with Plow Chief or Super Chief bottoms with trip beams. They were engineered for higher speeds, thus don't plow as well as the older Ace and General Purpose bottoms in garden or small plot situation where speeds are often slower. The old Ace bottoms do a great job with most tractors in first gear, but they don't stand up to speed very well. Even spring trip hitches on trailer plows or the cushion spring didn't protect them very well if speed was involved. I have broken the end off an Ace plow point with Super A in 1st gear, on a 2x12 plow. A lot depends on your plans, if you are doing less than 5 acres per year plowing I would stick with the older plows. If I were going to plow 10, 20 or 50 acres per year I would head right for the Super Chief with trip beams. The Plow Chief in my opinion should have been forgotten. They have a reputation of coming loose and falling apart.

I started my farming days with a Little Genius No.8 with 2x14 Ace bottoms, I have had 3 Ace bottom 2x12 SA, 130 type plows, a No 60 trailer 4x16 with Plow Chief bottoms, a No 60 - 3x16, a No 60 - 4x16 and a 510 semi-mount 5x16 all the last three were Super Chief bottoms. That No 60 with Plow Chief bottoms didn't stay around very long. It kept falling apart and you know where the parts end up.

I find here in Canada the very best source for plow bottom and coulter parts is TSC stores. You have a part and get the number from it, they can get it in days. I always take the old part with me. I may have a bit better situation than some as the manager here is an old IH parts guy. That does help.

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rex

03-14-2004 09:17:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hugh MacKay=== update on those plo in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-14-2004 09:02:43  
I have a 240 utility have been using the small prong plows with the spacers for a few years, I just do my garden, any ideas on that moldboard # O-3096?Thanks rex



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rex

03-14-2004 14:44:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hugh MacKay=== update on those in reply to rex, 03-14-2004 09:17:39  
Hugh, I have IHC book parts catalog 85-PO it covers plows made from 1939-? I would say it covers all plows for letter series tractors, could you give me a call collect at 410 860 8479 I will accept charges



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Hugh MacKay

03-14-2004 13:59:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hugh MacKay=== update on those in reply to rex, 03-14-2004 09:17:39  
Rex: I kind of figured you may ask this. This parts manual that I have refers to plow frames, wheels, coulters, hitches, hydraulic lifts. All mold boards are covered in another book which I don't have. There is reference in my book to 10 other plow parts books. This book is 2" thick and covers plows from mainly 60s decade. I was a bit disappointed when I bought it as it has also had a few pages removed. It has deviders with a section each on 33 different plows. The complete text for 2 plows is missing, and I've run across what seems like the odd page missing from other sections. I bought this online at auction. The next month the same seller had the book that came before this one covering plows like Little Genius and Wonder, C-20 and 30, C-26, 36 46. I had kind of lost my enthuseim for bidding. If I could find a complete set that an IH dealer would have had I would buy them, but do want to look them over next time. I guess I best attend a few shows this summer there are always guy selling manuals there. My dad used to say never get nit by the same dog twice.

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