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Picture of Plow for Hugh McKay!

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Farmall Ed

03-12-2004 18:20:40




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Hugh, here is a picture of the plow I talked to you about the other day. Any information you have that would date it, or anything else, I would appreciate.

Anybody's comments are welcome! I plowed with it this week, with very few problems.

Ed

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Hugh MacKay

03-13-2004 03:29:40




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 Re: Picture of Plow for Hugh McKay! in reply to Farmall Ed, 03-12-2004 18:20:40  
Ed: It looks like a Little Genius No.8, but to me there are a couple of items that don't look right. This plow was built from 1928 to 1960 and over that period of time quite a few changes were made. 67,000 copies of this plow were sold. It is very unlikely any one individual has seen all those changes.

The particular plow that I am most familiar with is a 1942 model that my dad bought new. My guess, and it is only a guess, your plow is pre war stock. The two items that look different and not right in my eyes are tongue or pull bar and the levers for adjusting the plow. All No 8 pull bars that I have seen use a cross member just in front of hinges, with tongue hooked to the cross mamber. The main tongue is paralell with plow beams and has a diagnol brace to the cross bar. Also the spring for the trip hitch is full length of tongue The levers I am familiar with have the end you grab on at right angles. I can see these levers being a choice item when ordering a plow. Of course the very reason I am calling your plow pre war, is the items that look not right to me, may well have been standard equipment in the early 30s. I have been around a lot of these plows since the 40s and have never seen those two items.

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Mark

03-13-2004 07:17:25




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 Re: Re: Picture of Plow for Hugh McKay! in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-13-2004 03:29:40  
Hugh,

Have you been able to see anything other than white up there yet?

What is your planting/harvesting season?

Mark



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Hugh MacKay

03-13-2004 09:22:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Picture of Plow for Hugh McKay! in reply to Mark, 03-13-2004 07:17:25  
Mark: Yes we are rid of all our snow, less than 10 miles to the north there is still a lot of snow around. We really never had a lot of snow right here, it's just that we never get temperatures near the melting point from Christmas through mid Feb., thus a crust never forms and the snow just keeps moving with the wind. It never goes much below 0 degrees F either. Just very steady weather. The wind had all this snow in our door yards, and across the fields you could see corn stover, wheat and soybean stubble, with 6 foot drifts in yard and driveway.

Planting season here for the most part starts last week of April and harvest is over by mid Nov. I do have some peas in the ground, they may or may not survive.

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Mark

03-13-2004 16:41:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Picture of Plow for Hugh McKay! in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-13-2004 09:22:51  
That's not too bad a season for as far North as you are.

I'm in N Texas and have onions in the ground. Peas could survive. Most of the goodies (tomatoes) are in the greenhouse. We have to wait until Easter to plant them. Get in a hurry and loose em. Have done it many times thinking I could "Outsmart mother nature"....Wrong!

Close as I ever was to you was Harmon AFB, Newfoundland in 1960. In USAF aboard a C118 (Douglas DC-6) from McGuire AFB, NJ to RAF Upper Heyford England. The runway was clear, but the drifts adjacent were above the tail fin. We were only there for about an hour to refuel and had to dust the snow off the bird to leave.

Best,

Mark

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Hugh MacKay

03-13-2004 18:07:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Picture of Plow for Hugh McKay in reply to Mark, 03-13-2004 16:41:16  
Mark: There are vast differences across Canada. Right here in SW Ontario, we are as far south as you can be in Canada. Actually the most southern tip is on same paralell as Northern CA. That is about 2 hour drive south from here. They really never get snow down there that stays with them all winter. Ten miles to the north of us and home to Mike Soldan, that is snow belt country. I was at a plowing match last summer. Struck up a conversation with a guy and told him of my winter driving experience up there. Oh he said,"Number 7 highway was built along the edge of a snow bank one July." He said you can follow the various cources of number 7 highway from Quebec border to the US border crossing at Sarnia - Port Huron, and north of it is snow belt all the way. I'm not sure whether that continues into Michigan and points west or not. Most of Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnisota and on into the Dakotas are to the north of us right here.

The peas I have planted are up, and were planted on hills or rows I made last fall. I planted them the last day of February, the extra day this year made the difference. I have never planted in Feb. before. I have however had peas a foot high and have snow hit. Kind of amusing to look down the rows of green peas up through the snow. I used to grow them commercially for fresh market trade, so first on market was important. today it is just a gardners chalange. They will survive 10 degrees of frost and the snow as well.

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Mark

03-14-2004 06:15:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Picture of Plow for Hugh M in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-13-2004 18:07:28  
Interesting comments. You can't understand things like that by looking at maps. Amazing about the peas.

On your boys (from Youngster's post), great message of yours with the family teaming rather than fighting. Course on a dairy farm you had better work together or you won't get done, right!

Thanks,

Mark



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Farmall ED

03-13-2004 04:34:40




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 Re: Re: Picture of Plow for Hugh McKay! in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-13-2004 03:29:40  
Thanks Hugh and Chris for the information, Chris says its a McCormick, it has the IH stamped on the clutch housing and also on one beam, it had a cutter in front of the rear plow when I got it, the cutter went side ways on the first round so I took it off. Plows good and makes the H talk. Thanks again, Do either of you know what a plow like this might be worth? ED



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Hugh MacKay

03-13-2004 05:32:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Picture of Plow for Hugh McKay! in reply to Farmall ED, 03-13-2004 04:34:40  
Ed: They are not worth very much, somewhere between $50. and $250. depending on condition and where you live. They were indeed an H plow, 3 bottom version and you put it behind an M. Those plows probably did the best job of plowing of all the plows IH ever built.

That plow also using the same model number was also sold in two different versions; being the Canadian version and US version. Interestingly enough the Canadian version had options not available on the US version. There were also two separate bottoms. The IH general purpose bottom, I have seen on both Canadian and US plows. The other bottom was called an Ace bottom. I have seen thousands of pictures of these but never an Ace bottom on a US plow. The Ace bottom was more like the European bottoms we see on modern day plows.

Plows were built here in Canada until the early 1960s. I suspect the only part ever produced here was the frame, and the bottoms came from either US or Europe depending on who had excess supplies. Our frame had perpendicular cross members between beams and were adjustable as to width of cut. This meant dealers could keep frames around and add whatever bottom the customer wanted. A better description may be that IH could dump in Canada what ever bottom they had excess of from various plants around the world.

Other differences on the No 8 plow included the levers for setting the plows. Our levers here in Canada were hinged in middle and by use of a three notch adjustment you could quickly set your levers to suit either a Farmall or a W series tractor. Our lever also incorperated a reduction cog in the setting of the plow which gave finer settings.

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Andy Martin

03-13-2004 08:49:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Picture of Plow for Hugh McKay! in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-13-2004 05:32:05  
Hugh, you are really amazing. I have two 3-bottoms and three or four 2-bottoms around the place, all same style, never knew for sure they were "Little Genius".

So I looked at the picture and said that's what mine are - until you pointed out the straight release levers, and drawbar differences. Mine all have short trip springs like the photo, though.



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Hugh MacKay

03-13-2004 09:07:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Picture of Plow for Hugh McKay in reply to Andy Martin, 03-13-2004 08:49:25  
Andy: If you, Ed or any others want to e mail me, I have some photos on file showing differences in the Canadian plows. My computer for some reason will not post photos at YT. It may be me and not the computer. Anyhow you are welcome.



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Chris in SeMo

03-12-2004 18:55:57




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 Re: Picture of Plow for Hugh McKay! in reply to Farmall Ed, 03-12-2004 18:20:40  
Hello Ed,Fine plow you have there.I have one just like it.It's a McCormick Deering Little Genius,Hugh can probably tell you the exact years it was manufactured.Notice the breakaway hitch with a huge spring that resets its self when tripped.Also the tailwheel or "crazywheel" ties into the adjustment levers to automatically adjust with the plow adjustment. Pretty simple design and do a fine job.They were quite popular.Enjoy your plow,Chris in SeMo.

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