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Help! A sleeve installing emergency! Arrrrrr!

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Zak

03-12-2004 12:35:38




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So I got my old sleeves out no problem, used a puller donated for the weekend by a member of this board. I then followed the suggested "dry ice" method of sleeve installation. I cleaned the cosmoline from the outsides of the sleeves until they were sparkly clean. I then placed all four in a cooler and filled it to the top with dry ice and let them sit for an hour. When I pulled one out I immediately placed it in the bore and got it about 1/4 to 3/4 of the way in, but NONE of the four went all the way in before they warmed back up and stuck. I now have four sleeves in various states of installation. How can I press them all the way in without removing my entire engine from the frame and taking it to a machine shop (and dying of embarrasment)?

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Zak

03-13-2004 15:11:13




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 Re: Help! A sleeve installing emergency! Arrrrrr in reply to Zak, 03-12-2004 12:35:38  
The sleeve set was from Weber's (a good supplier I might add) and is made by Gould. The tractor/engine is a 300 gas. Stock sleeves were 3 9/16", new ones are 3 5/8". When I tried to replace one of the old sleeves in the block, it was just as tight as a new one, so I think I'm ok there. I'll try marking a sleeve with a pen and then driving it and checking for movement. If this doesn't work, I can try the reverse puller setup as suggested. I'll keep ya posted! Zak

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gene b

03-13-2004 06:31:44




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 Re: Help! A sleeve installing emergency! Arrrrrr in reply to Zak, 03-12-2004 12:35:38  
Time for a micrometer reading.



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Brian

03-12-2004 15:38:25




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 Re: Help! A sleeve installing emergency! Arrrrrr in reply to Zak, 03-12-2004 12:35:38  
A comment that I have to make is the sleeves which I intstalled on my tractor slipped into place with a little friction from the O-Ring. My block had been freshly cleaned however. I wonder why yours are so tight ? I would worried about the stress cracking the sleeves. Are you certain the sleeves are in spec ? and as mentioned, was the area cleaned well enough. Better to recheck now then have to pay for new sleeves.

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RPT in W. Allis

03-12-2004 15:38:06




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 Re: Help! A sleeve installing emergency! Arrrrrr in reply to Zak, 03-12-2004 12:35:38  
Hello I Need to know 2 things 1st what engine are we talking about and who did you buy the sleeves from ? Also do you know who manufactured the sleeves? Heres what I did, I installed the block back into the tractor just the block with the stuck sleeves nothing else. No crankshaft.I chained the tractor frame and engine down so it could not go up. I put a block of wood on the bottom of the sleeve and a hydraulic jack under the wood and jacked them STRAIGHT out. Pack inside of sleeves with dry ice.

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scotc

03-12-2004 17:29:17




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 Re: Re: Help! A sleeve installing emergency! Arr in reply to RPT in W. Allis, 03-12-2004 15:38:06  
or commandeer the freezer overnight



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Cecil

03-12-2004 14:48:34




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 Re: Help! A sleeve installing emergency! Arrrrrr in reply to Zak, 03-12-2004 12:35:38  
If sleeves are that tight if you drive them in that far you will have trouble with the pistons locking up when it warms up running. Take them back out and hone the cylinder oil the outside of sleeve put them back in. This is a dry sleeve engine I presume.



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Don

03-12-2004 20:51:24




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 Re: Re: Help! A sleeve installing emergency! Arr in reply to Cecil , 03-12-2004 14:48:34  
I would not hone the bore of the block its to easy to get the sleeve to loose and it work loose when the engine is running. Depends on what engine you have but for example some IH 6 cylinder drysleeve engines used different sized sleeves in a block. There are numbers stamped on the block to referance sleeve size. In the manual for my 706 it says you have to use a hydraulic sleeve installer to generate several thousand pounds of thrust to get them in. I would try the dry ice in the sleeve with wood block and big hammer if you cannot borrow a press it should work just hit evenly.

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Vern-MI

03-12-2004 14:40:04




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 Re: Help! A sleeve installing emergency! Arrrrrr in reply to Zak, 03-12-2004 12:35:38  
Whatever you do it should be done soon because there was undoubtedly condensation or water on the cold sleeves which will cause them to rust in place unless they were coated with a lubricant prior to the installation. I assume that the crank is still in place. Do you know what the interference fit was prior to the installation. Enerpac makes a cylinder with a hole down through the middle so you could use it along with Marks idea to pull the sleeves into the block if the interference fit isn't too great. Sounds like a good challenge.

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Mark in AB

03-12-2004 14:15:12




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 Re: Help! A sleeve installing emergency! Arrrrrr in reply to Zak, 03-12-2004 12:35:38  
Doesn't sound good...I know you don't want to hear what you should have done but anyway....clean bores..clean sleeves..freeze sleeves...have a nice big hardwood block and sledge hammer ready...set sleeve in bore and whack it in...might take alot of force..but you have to do what it takes now or it will only get worse. Now that the situation is worse this is what i would try first:
- get a nice piece of 1/2" plate to cover top of sleeve(prevents wood block from splitting)
-mark sleeve with marker so you can actually tell if it is moving.
- place hardwood block on top of metal plate and hit block with sledge like you are putting in a fence post, nice long hard swing, hammerlike pounding does no good.

if no progress is being made, this is your last resort, a pain to set up but is guareenteed to work.
- get 5/8"plate and cut to fit over top of liner
- drill hole in center of plate to fit a 3/4" puller rod.
- Obtain or build an H-bar big enough for
bottom of engine block (2-5/8" x 1" bar on side with two small center cross bars added with a plate and hole for bottom of puller bolt)
- Use a real puller bolt, expensive, but maybe you can borrow one, ready rod is too soft and bents and breaks too easy.
-assemble your puller as straight as possible, making sure to use copper coat or at least grease on your puller bolt threads to prevent thread damage and make tightening the nuts easier.
-pull the liners in.
- slow and tedious, but it works, it is also the preferdmethod of liner installation for obvious reasons.

Let me know how it works out.

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lee

03-12-2004 14:15:07




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 Re: Help! A sleeve installing emergency! Arrrrrr in reply to Zak, 03-12-2004 12:35:38  
Never ran into that but how about trying to draw them down in using a rig set up similar to the pulling rig but in reverse. I might imagine a thick round plate on top of the sleeve with a hole in it for threaded rod running down thru the sleeve and thru a hole in a thick steel bar spanning the pan rails. Nuts on both ends of threaded rod. Tighten and draw the sleeve down in.



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Shaggy

03-12-2004 14:22:48




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 Re: Re: Help! A sleeve installing emergency! Arr in reply to lee, 03-12-2004 14:15:07  
Couldn't you repack the sleeve's with the ice and use the block of wood and the Hammer on it then? Just a thought.



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Jon

03-12-2004 17:57:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Help! A sleeve installing emergency! in reply to Shaggy, 03-12-2004 14:22:48  
I had the same problem with a sleeve in my M I put a bag of ice in the sleeve for about 15 min and a block of wood and hammer it went in with out to much problem.



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