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Long stroke engine fuel mixture comment

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Pete L

03-06-2004 20:02:36




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Guys -- Several years ago, my uncle had a Ford pickup with the 300 6 cylinder engine in it. Having to drive many miles to the refinery where he worked, mileage was a big concern. Doing what he could to maintain good mileage, the best he was able to obtain was 19 mpg. He discussed this with a chemist at the refinery and he indicated that his engine was the last of one of the longer stroke engines on the market. Advised adding 1 quart of diesel fuel to every 5 gallons of gas during fill ups. Gasoline burns a little too quick to utilize the full power stroke. The diesel fuel slows the combustion from a "bang" too a "boom". His mileage increased to 21mpg with no abnormal effects. Sold the truck with 130,000 miles with no engine issues.

I have passed this on to several tractor owners with longer stroke engines (like the green tractor guys). This trick on one Deere made the difference in being to cut hay with the grass wet verses dry.

Wondering if anyone has ever tried this in their engines? I am going to try it out this summer on my F-20 and F-12, as our tractor show will have access to a Prony brake this summer to measure any changes.

Thoughts anyone ?

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Andy Martin

03-07-2004 08:07:28




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 Re: Long stroke engine fuel mixture comment in reply to Pete L, 03-06-2004 20:02:36  
Interesting idea.

Of course the old tractors with low compression ratio can't utilize the octane rating of new gasolines very well.

But your description of the benefit is a little backward, as I understand it, higher octane causes the fuel mixture to burn more slowly. Knock is when it burns too fast, or predetonates due to high compression or a hot glowing surface in the head cavity (such as the edge of a carbon deposit). But the tendency of an engine to knock is very dependent on the cylinder pressure at ignition. Low compression engines are not very prone to knock.

However, a little diesel or kerosene might be a good mix with modern gasoline in an old low compression engine.

I don't think stroke has much to do with it, except that higher compression gasoline engines generally have shorter strokes. The tendency of the diesel component to condense on the cylinder sidewall would be greater on longer stroke engines, and with the cooler running engine. Cylinder temperature at operating conditions is much lower in an old tractor than in a new high compression engine.

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Stan(VA).

03-08-2004 04:31:46




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 Re: Re: Long stroke engine fuel mixture comment in reply to Andy Martin, 03-07-2004 08:07:28  
Andy,
I'm not sure if your comment about the description being backwards was aimed at Pete or Don? If Don, I would agree. If his Omega had the 350 Olds diesel engine, and it was run on a mixed tank of diesel and gas, I can understand that mixed tank destroying the diesel motor.
I am no chemist, but have seen the difference in flash point of gas and diesel. Several years back a friend with the local fire dept came over to help burn some trash piles after clearing land. The 1st pile he set off with gas, the 2nd we tried diesel on. The 1st pile he stood back and threw a lit match at the soaked pile and it went up in a mushroom cloud that shook the ground and scared me half to death. Since I didn't want to take him into the hospital ;) I suggested trying diesel on the 2nd pile. He threw a lit match at the pile twice and finally went right up and held a lit match to a wet spot until it slowly got started and spread. So I can certainly understand the theory that the diesel would slow the burn rate of the gas, but what I can't comment on is whether the rate would be beneficial or not. Guess it would be dependent on the stroke and RPM. Long stroke and low RPM would have more time for the burn; which is just what our tractors are.

I would be interested in hearing your results this summer, Pete.
Stan(VA).

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Don Green

03-07-2004 03:08:28




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 Re: Long stroke engine fuel mixture comment in reply to Pete L, 03-06-2004 20:02:36  
I think you may run into detonation,pinging and may destroy the engine.When i was a cheapo kid i fueled my olds omega with some gas that was missfueled with a bit of diesal in it and it toasted the engine (severe knock after 200 miles)But now that i think about it i was most likely dumber than i thought and was not shure exactly how much was mixed.I bet you would have to retard the timing a bit so it doesnt detonate therfore you would loose power right?The added diesel will lower the octane of the gasoline.I personally wouldent do it i want higher octane like 100 or so that would burn nice in my A model IH.Ohh well just my 2 cents,im glad the omega blew up anyway.

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