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Need comparing Farmall 400 to 450 info.

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Ray in Pa.

03-04-2004 16:14:17




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I have a few technicial questions about the Farmall 400 and the Farmall 450 of which I needed alittle input on. I have listed my questions below so as to make alittle easier to read.

1. Did IH ever make any Farmall 400's with the 281 size engine, and if they did, could it of been done just prior to the new 450 model's coming out.

2. Does a Farmall 400 with the 281 engine make the same horse power and torque as the Farmall 450 engine.

3. How well did the Farmall 400 power steering work when new, and was it considered a good steering and still the same on the Farmall 450's power steering.

4. Does a Farmall 450 have any noticeable pull power advantage over a Farmall 400.


Thanks, Ray in Pa.

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leo

03-05-2004 15:38:45




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 Re: Need comparing Farmall 400 to 450 info. in reply to Ray in Pa., 03-04-2004 16:14:17  
A related question. Did IH ever paint 400s with the White 450 paint scheme? Or, was this done only by folks after market for whatever reason? I have seen several 400s painted like 450s.

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Leo



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randy hall

03-04-2004 20:42:19




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 Re: Need comparing Farmall 400 to 450 info. in reply to Ray in Pa., 03-04-2004 16:14:17  
dave answered your questions well. the only thing that i have to add is that the 450 cam had a little different timing to it to give more lugging power.



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Dave W V

03-05-2004 19:50:20




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 Re: Re: Need comparing Farmall 400 to 450 info. in reply to randy hall, 03-04-2004 20:42:19  
Randy I have a question,hope to learn something.
At least some of 400 production used camshaft #
48196-DA. 450 to engine # 9860 used the same # ,
after that camshaft # changed to 48196-DB. I always thought the only change to DB cam. was to left hand threads that hold cam gear on.Since I have never measured,degreed,ETC. these cams I don't know the true answer.Do you know someone that has checked them out?Thanks

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Red Rider

03-04-2004 20:00:33




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 Re: Need comparing Farmall 400 to 450 info. in reply to Ray in Pa., 03-04-2004 16:14:17  
Ray IH did not put any 281 engines in the 400 although the blocks were the same. The 450 had thinner sleeves to obtain the 1/8 in larger bore.

The 400 came with a 264cu so 18 cubic inches would give you a little more hp but not much. I farmed with a 400 and 450 in the late 50s and early 60s. The only difference that I could see was that the 450 used a lot more fuel. The horse power difference as I see it was the 17cu and larger jets in the carb. The parts book list everything between the two pretty much the same.

I still have the 400 with power steering as well as a 300 with power steering. If your pump is not wore out the power steering works fine. Both the 300 and 400 will spin the front wheels lock to lock setting still. As a rule I don't do that unless I lhave to. I like to be moving when turning the front wheels.

As for pulling power they were both good pullers. The only advantage the 450 had over the 400 if equiped was the traction control incorperated in the 450s fast hitch.

Our 400 was diesel and the 450 was gas. So you can tell which one has the most hours on it.

Both tractors were good tractors. However the 400 diesel required far less engine maintance that the gas did. The 400 has never had the head off. The 450 has been rebuilt twice.

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Joe Evans

03-04-2004 19:19:36




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 Re: Need comparing Farmall 400 to 450 info. in reply to Ray in Pa., 03-04-2004 16:14:17  
As to your last question: Nebraska Test for Max Pull Pounds show the 400 doing 6508#, while the 450 did 7318#. These figures were produced with gasoline powered units.



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Dave W V

03-04-2004 19:44:41




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 Re: Re: Need comparing Farmall 400 to 450 info. in reply to Joe Evans, 03-04-2004 19:19:36  
Joe its hard to compare the tests,400 had 13x38
tires and max pulled in high T/A. 450 15.5x38 in
low T/A, but i think 400 had more weight added for
test.Gas models.



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Joe Evans

03-05-2004 06:15:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Need comparing Farmall 400 to 450 info in reply to Dave W V, 03-04-2004 19:44:41  
Yes, you are correct. I thought about the tractors possibly being configured differently for the Tests and meant to amend my post but did not. Again, you raise a fine point: there is a lot of gray area when making comparisons especially when the cited Test parameters were influenced on how NU ballasted the tractors.



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Dave W V

03-04-2004 17:52:20




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 Re: Need comparing Farmall 400 to 450 info. in reply to Ray in Pa., 03-04-2004 16:14:17  
1-Could have,but not likly to be proved one way or other. 2-Same pistons and state of tune.My opinion same. 3-Worked okay when new. 4-Same hitch,tires and wieght, they would pull the same. my 2 cents.



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Ray in Pa.

03-05-2004 20:54:47




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 Re: Re: Need comparing Farmall 400 to 450 info. in reply to Dave W V, 03-04-2004 17:52:20  
I appreciate all the interesting info. that was given by everyone above to help answer my above questions. I wondered about whether there was much noticeable power differences between the Farmall 400 and 450.

Thanks, Ray in Pa.



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