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Hey Bob Melville?

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DHuth2

02-25-2004 20:22:54




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I recently ran into a old lifttruck that had a delco alternator on it with the only wire hooked to the BAT terminal. I advised the fellow he had some wires missing. He said no its a one wire job. I checked the output, regulated at 14.6 volts. Looked in the archives....found some info. My question is....how is this thing sensing the voltage in the system? Back through the wire it is outputting through? these things actually work okay? thanks for the help....

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Bob M

02-26-2004 19:15:59




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 Re: Hey Bob Melville? in reply to DHuth2, 02-25-2004 20:22:54  
Doug explained it pretty well below. Voltage is sensed voltage internally off the BAT terminal. Also the internal regulator uses the small voltage generated by residual magnetism in the rotor at startup to "turn on" the regulator, rather than turning it on by a separate signal from the ign switch. This is why single wire alternators have gotta be spun up pretty fast at startup before they'll begin charging.

Single wire alternators are found a lot in marine applications - probably also in other stuff like your forklift. And hot rodders seem to like 'em because they're simple to wire up. You can convert a regular 3 wire alternator to a single wire by swapping in a special single wire regulator.

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Doug in OR

02-26-2004 08:38:52




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 Re: Hey Bob Melville? in reply to DHuth2, 02-25-2004 20:22:54  
Bob can probably add to this, or correct a little of what I say.

First of all, what year is this truck? The Delco alternators that were built after the 10SI was discontinued use internal sensing. Simply put, they run a low-value resistor from the BAT terminal to the sensing circuit. You can still use external sensing if you wish. Even the 10SI can be modified to use internal sensing. This is sensing only - excitation is another story. You can find "single wire" alternators that also use internal excitation. These are usually modified 10SI alternators. I usually preach to use 3-wire configurations for two reasons: 1) They are more readily available and less expensive. 2) You do not need as much RPM the start the alternator charging. This can be a significant issue when you are driving an alternator with a low RPM engine - as found on a tractor.

I might mention that while 14.6 volts is satisfactory, it is a bit high. Something around 14.0 volts is more desireable. With a 14.6 charging voltage, you will need to watch the battery a bit more closely. The battery will tend to use more water.

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lee

02-25-2004 21:03:37




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 Re: Hey Bob Melville? in reply to DHuth2, 02-25-2004 20:22:54  
I think you are describing an internally regulated alternator. The circuit components regulating the output are built into the alternator rather than having a separate regulator external to the alternator. If you are familiar with an external regulator set-up, just imagine that regulator built into the alternator so the wires you think are missing are inside the alternator and the bat post on the alternator is a regulated output.

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