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Grim Reminders

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Michael Soldan

02-25-2004 05:04:59




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I was reading the "Western Ontario Farmer"publication last night and a Lanark County farmer was killed by a Holstein bull as he was bringing the cattle in from the yard. This was a 3 year old bull that according to his nephew had never shown any aggressive signs. This is the second Holstein bull death that I have posted about in the last year in our part of Ontario. I cant say much more but farming Farmallers everywhere ...Be Carefull around your stock...Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Scott Swanson

02-27-2004 10:15:18




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 Re: Grim Reminders in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-25-2004 05:04:59  
Back when I was a Buck, I trapped Fox down the road from our house on the Lake. The guy had a monster black Bull in his field. I am not sure what strain it was but I think it was the biggest of the possesed, cranky, scary strain of big bulls.

I would walk by timidly with my trapping bucket and Fox Urine held loosely in case I needed to drop it and run for the fence. He never charged but I never had any fox lifted from my sets either. I came out one morning to find a ocean of cows around one of my sets. In the middle of the cow island was a very scared, tortured fox. As I emerged from the depths of the cow river, the little fox seemed relieved to see me. We know how that ended.

The monster Bull followed me around the field on occasion, but he had a hard time keeping up with my flat-out run. I was the best broken-field trapper in Hubbard County.

Bulls are fun, no matter what they say.

Scott

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Steve

02-26-2004 16:05:50




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 Re: Grim Reminders in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-25-2004 05:04:59  
A sad tragedy for sure but one for the young to learn by.We raised angus. Never had any real problems except once I remember my grandad "tackled" an older cow famous for breaking gates. Took her right off her feet and punched the h--- out of her. He said it didn't do anything but make him feel better. The old bull watched this happen, turned and slowly walked away. Not sure if that impressed me or the bull more, but I never made it a point to cross grandad. God bless him !

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Hugh MacKay

02-25-2004 18:41:07




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 Re: Grim Reminders in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-25-2004 05:04:59  
Michael: As you know I was a Holstein dairy farmer, we had bulls around since I was a kid. I can tell you it was drilled in me from that time on never to trust a bull. While I am very cautious of them, I have never had any reason to be afraid of them. I have handled bulls weighing up to 2600 lbs. I always took time to talk to the bull every day. Yes handling a bull is 3/4 psychology, you must understand this animal and NEVER threaten him in anyway. Bulls, like dogs and horses, never forget, they do get even. True, holstein men are born, not created at some school somewhere.

I also employed a gentleman to raise my dairy heifers from calves to maturity and the milking line. This man came from a family of 14, all of whom had a reputation of being special livestock persons. He took time to talk to those calves and heifers everyday. When these heifers came to the milking line which was a herring bone parlor, it was like putting milkers on old cows. I have placed milker on a heifer for the first time, walked away a left her. It was pure pleasure to bring these new cows into the milking herd.

There was an old gentleman in my hometown, we'll call Mr Q, sold his dairy farm to a young man who had worked on the farm for a number of years. The older man moved away to another community. About 3 years later he was visiting in the area and decided to visit his former farm and the buyer. As he walked in the barn, he commented," Eric, these cows are not milking like they should be are they." To which Eric responded, "Why do you say that." Mr.Q responded,"Because you have too many broken shovel and fork handles".

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Big Jim

02-25-2004 12:45:38




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 Re: Grim Reminders in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-25-2004 05:04:59  
I have to agree with the others. I'm really not sure why it is, but dairy bulls are usually considerably more aggressive than beef bulls. Especially it seems the older they get, the closer you need to watch them. I have a 2000 pound angus bull about 7 years old. So far he has not been a problem (I have owned him for about a year), however I would not turn my back on him. I have been told that Hereford bulls are the gentlest bulls out there, but I only have had Angus bulls, so I couldn't verify that from personal experience.

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Mike

02-25-2004 10:13:22




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 Re: Grim Reminders in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-25-2004 05:04:59  
Excellent point.

I don't have any livestock, but rent some of my land to the neighbor who has Black Angus.

His bull always seems pretty content, but I never take anything for granted. When in the pasture, I NEVER turn my back on any of them. Always be aware of who is around you and what they are doing.



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Keith

02-25-2004 10:12:35




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 Re: Grim Reminders in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-25-2004 05:04:59  
All you need is for one of these 2000lb. son-of -a #$%^&*&** to get you down once and you learn to be xtra careful around them.They will get you down and just keep hitting you .When one got me down I curled up in a ball ,protected my head and he got bored after a while when I didn't move .He did not have horns which was good



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Paul Janke

02-25-2004 07:57:12




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 Re: Grim Reminders in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-25-2004 05:04:59  
Don't know if there is any truth to the explanation, but I was told it is related to the fact that the masculine animal is bred for such feminine characteristics (high milk production) with dairy bulls in general.



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Ben in KY

02-25-2004 08:12:56




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 Re: Re: Grim Reminders in reply to Paul Janke, 02-25-2004 07:57:12  
Could be. I read a report several years ago where they studied violent criminals hormone levels. The most violent ones had unusually high levels of female hormones. I did not tell the wife unit about this as I like to keep the waters calm :)



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Dan

02-25-2004 06:52:38




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 Re: Grim Reminders in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-25-2004 05:04:59  
When I was young there were many dairies in my area. I knew several people who were injured by bulls, both holstein and Jersey. My grandfather was rolled around by a Jersey bull. Seemed like the dairy bulls were always more angry and high strung. Perhaps that is called "mad bull disease"?



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jed

02-25-2004 05:52:08




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 Re: Grim Reminders in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-25-2004 05:04:59  
Growing up in Western , Pa. ,we raised Holsteins. I suspect that it was because they were cheaper to buy as feeders. I can remember on more than one occasion and with different bulls, that they would wack out. I have seen them charge a tractor and actually hit the side of it. I don't know if it a herd protecting thing with them or what.



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