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mark

02-23-2004 05:52:55




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This may seem real dumb, but what is the best way to garden with a tractor.

I have the following: IH 140, plow, disk harrow, cole duplex planter with over 40 different type plates, fowler corn cultivator, weeder rake, mower and all of the IH cultivator attachements (both front and rear).

What are some methods that offer the best results. I can have any size garned I want, upto 3.5 acres. Don't plan on that much, just wondering what methods to use.

I will use the plow and disk to prepare the soil, just wondering if it is best to make some type of raised beds the tractor can stradel and use the planter to plant, or just use like a large scale vegetable farm.

Also, has anyone used a rear mount finish mower on the back?

mark

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Hugh MacKay

02-23-2004 08:14:34




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 Re: Gardening with a tractor in reply to mark, 02-23-2004 05:52:55  
Mark: You are quite well equiped for doing a little more than a bit of gardening. I like to divide my garden into about 3 to 4 plots, 1 for the current years garden, next years garden, and the next and a fourth year is nice. You know what you're going to do with this years garden plot. Depending where you live warm or cold climate, plant a crop like buckwheat. Buckwheat is great for the northern areas as starts very agressively and crouds out just about every weed known. Just before it goes to seed, plow it down as a green manure crop. It will do wonders for the soil in building organic matter. It is also nice to do the same with the third year plot. I like the fourth year plot for fallow. All summer long you can dispose of your vegetable waste on this plot and keep disking it into the soil. After you get going that fourth plot is also last years garden so you just disk it often enough so last years old weeds don't get going. Gardening in this fashion keeps the hand weeding to a minamum, that one alone tends to make gardening much more rewarding. Remember first and formost every weed you let go to seed, is roughly 1000 new weeds next year.

This spring as plant life starts to sprout keep your eye open for weeds and select the area for this years garden where the least weeds are. Most areas have weed identification books, that are valuable to help determine what you are dealing with.

I will not go any further than this without knowing exactly where you are. I don't want to give a lot of useless advice. If you want drop me an e mail, I love gardening vegetables, also like to learn what other areas are doing. Some things work well in some areas and not so well in others. Why I even have three tractors just for this, on less than 2 acres. SA, 130 and 140.

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RayA

02-23-2004 16:02:56




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 Re: Re: Gardening with a tractor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-23-2004 08:14:34  
Hugh, do you know of anything that would choke out bermuda grass? I got a bad case in my garden and have tried roundup to no avail. I was thinking about a crop to try to choke it out, but cant think of anything. Using a farmallb in my garden w/ cultivators. Sure shortens up the hoeing time. RayA



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CNKS

02-23-2004 18:57:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Gardening with a tractor in reply to RayA, 02-23-2004 16:02:56  
You might contact your county ag agent for the latest method. Roundup should work -- forget the Walmart dilute stuff, and get real Roundup--4 pounds active ingredient per gallon--available as a generic under several names-- the common name to look for on the label is glyphosate. Use it at a rate of about a gallon an acre, don't plant anything for a year, if it comes back, do it again. It needs to be applied when the grass is actively growing, so wait until May or June. The stuff needs a lot of leaf area to translocate into the rhizomes. If you insist on having a garden this year, you can get a piece of PVC pipe with a wick at the end and brush it on, just don't touch whatever you have in the garden.

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Hugh MacKay

02-23-2004 16:51:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Gardening with a tractor in reply to RayA, 02-23-2004 16:02:56  
Ray: Buckwheat works well here in Canada, I suspect it will just as well in northern US states. I understand it doesn't work so well in the south. As I said to Mark, I have been involved in other discussions, where in the opinion of sotherners other crops work better. I don't think we have any one cure all for all areas. It's kind of a geography thing. All I can suggest is when in Rome, do as the Romans do. Awfully important on questions like this to state where you are. We can all learn from this. You never know you may hear something that you can try on a very small scale, to see if it works for you.

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RayA

02-23-2004 17:13:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Gardening with a tractor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-23-2004 16:51:32  
Hey Hugh...Live in Oklahoma here, so it might be a little too far south for buckgrass. I thought about trying to plant corn to smother it, but think that it might smother the corn out as it grows really fast here once the days warm up. RayA



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RayA

02-23-2004 18:31:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gardening with a tractor in reply to RayA, 02-23-2004 17:13:07  
Thanks for info guys, and my appologies to Mark for muddling up his initial thread with my grass problems. RayA



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Hugh MacKay

02-23-2004 17:49:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gardening with a tractor in reply to RayA, 02-23-2004 17:13:07  
Ray: Another thing people often overlook with Roundup, is it will only kill the green leaf plant that absorbs it, thus if you have a real bad infestation all you do by spraying Roundup is eliminate competition between weeds. It may indeed take 3 or 4 applications in one season. Roundup will in no way kill un germinated seeds. It will not even kill root systems that have no foilage above ground on the day of application. I also saw a situation where kill was poor near gravel roads. It was determined a layer of dust from road traffic, lodging on plants, protected them from the Roundup. Roundup also requires clean water for tank mix to work best.

You ask in your area what crop will croud your weed. You might also try buckwheat on an area 20' by 20', see how it works. Always worth a shot, I would try several crops see what works best, for you. It is truly a trial and error type of project.

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Leroy

02-23-2004 17:39:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gardening with a tractor in reply to RayA, 02-23-2004 17:13:07  
RayA,

Best way to get rid of Bermuda grass....don't plant it:>. Second-a sod spade, pile it up and compost the stuff. I'd think roundup would work if applied several weeks before it goes dormant in the fall and then again in spring just after it breaks dormancy. Never tried though. Might be better herbicides for this too. Good Luck.



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mark

02-23-2004 12:30:46




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 Re: Re: Gardening with a tractor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-23-2004 08:14:34  
Thanks for your advice. I live in the humidity belt in Mid Ga. I have always had a small garden, and tilled by hand or with hand tools. I have the tractor for about 8 years and am moving to a new lot which has incredible top soil. I am hoping to have some crops that I could not have before. such as corn, winter squach, melons etc.

I would like more knowledge in particluar about setting up the cultivators, using the front mount fertilizer spreader.

Is it better (using the tractor) for longer rows ove shorter ones. I am thinking of approx 100 by 300 foot garden, that could be 33 feet x 100 each year with a 3 year rotation. Of course I could easily go to 120 x 300 and have 4 year rotation. Using green compost such as buckwheat. I don't know about them, I may want to use something like velvet beans or vetch.

any info you wish to share is appreaciated.

My tractor is on the implement page, look for Famrall 140 with post hole digger.

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Hugh MacKay

02-23-2004 16:15:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Gardening with a tractor in reply to mark, 02-23-2004 12:30:46  
Mark: Neat looking post hole digger you have there. You must have done some fabrication on that, for mounting on the one point fast hitch. Am I also right in understanding you fabricated the hitch as well or have I got that wrong.

I suspect as far south as you are, there are probably better green manure crops in your area than buckwheat. I only use that as it works well here. I have discussed this item with guys before and from what I understand buckwheat does not work well in the south. We tend to get in trouble here with vetch, as it becomes a worse weed than what we are trying to croud out.

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mark

02-24-2004 06:07:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Gardening with a tractor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-23-2004 16:15:36  
Yes I made the attachement for the post hole digger. I will post a photo soon. I did not have to modify the original hole digger at all, in fact a friend is using it this winter with his three point tractor to put in some fence posts. I am looking for a three point finish mower like a woods RM-59 (60 inch) or RM-306 (72 inch) to make or buy the adapter to use with my 140.

Anyway, back to the garden. After I get the green cover crop in and soil built up.

Lets talk about using the planter. As I said it is an old one point Cole duplex. I have way to many plates for it, both right and left handed. Just wondering if raised beds or like a truck farmer would do for planting. I might like to plant peas, string beans, butter beans each with one long row. I might be able to handle this without much in the way of instruction, just want to compare notes with others to use a tractor where before I used hand tools.

As to cultivation, I have never mounted the cultivators on the 140. I know that I have several sweeps and may have to get some new ones and sharpent the older ones. How sharp is enough? What depth do you set them at?

Using the fertiliser spreader- I have the mid mount spreader that sets in fron of the driver. I have never mounted the chain drive under the left wheel, how do you do this? How do you determine what rate the fertlizer is coming out at? Can you put a "Y" in the system to side dress two side at the time, or should you only dress one side?


I am planning to build a plastic much layer, I may also build some sort of planter to plant through the plastic. Any opinions on using black mulch.

Anyone ever used a rear mount mower like I am looking for?

thanks in advance

mark

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Hugh MacKay

02-24-2004 17:17:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gardening with a tractor in reply to mark, 02-24-2004 06:07:19  
Mark: Click on my name at top of this post, and send me an e mail. I will send you some photos of gadgets I have fabricated for gardening. Also my 140 with a full set of cultivators. If you have any photos of your planting equipment, cultivator and fertilizer applicator I would love to see them. A guy can always learn new ideas. I even have a lot of pieces around here, I haven't figured out what I will fabricate next with them. We may both become enlightened. A guy sent me a photo of a 1 point fast hitch he fabricated. I also have a 1 point I fabricated.

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riverbend

02-24-2004 07:49:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gardening with a tractor in reply to mark, 02-24-2004 06:07:19  
Hugh MacKay is spot on with most of his advice.

A few things that I have found are:

Longer rows work better with tractors and cultivators. If you don't have wide headlands to turn around on, the first few feet of your crop will suffer as you get straightened out.

Setting up cultivators will take some trial and error. They usually work by moving soil rather than cutting off the weeds. Start with the shovels set a foot apart until you get the hang of adjusting your speed and depth to get the results that you want. You will need to be handy with the hoe for a while. Your local IH dealer will have new sweeps, but no real variety.

Unless you are very good with a push planter, the cultivators will only be good for rows that you planted with the mounted planters. Sorry can't help you with their set up, I'm using Planet Jrs and JD 70s.

If you are going to plant a lot of corn and squash, you might want to consider larger garden areas. Four 35 X 300 beds cover about an acre.

With cover crops try to alternate between broadleafs and and grasses. They compete with different weeds. Buckwheat is used more up here, but should work for you in the spring and fall, if not all season. Look at the ATTRA or the Univ of NC website for some ideas.

I grow vegetables in a four year rotation, but went away from a bare fallow because it was burning up my organic matter. Now I use soybeans and sorghum planted in rows and cultivated. Something like that would also give you a place to practice your cultivator skills without wiping out your green beans.

Getting the black plastic laid tight takes some careful set up even with a purchased plastic layer. You might want to consider putting drip tape in at the same time. You can buy a thing called a "water wheel" that will punch holes in the plastic and put some water in the hole. You would have to make your own frame. There are complete water wheel transplanters, but that might be a bit much for a garden.

Beds or rows work better for different crops depending mostly on how you are going to cultivate and harvest.

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Hugh MacKay

02-24-2004 06:52:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gardening with a tractor in reply to mark, 02-24-2004 06:07:19  
Mark: You have seeding equipment much different from what I am used to. I have a 2 row John Deere corn planter geared up for use on 1 point fast hitch. I have plates for most large seeds like corn, beans, peas, etc. I also have a 2 row small seed vegetable seeder that center mounts on my cultivator lift frames. I used those planters commercially in the past, however today I just grow a personal garden and I find a hand push seeder much quicker for small amounts. I grow my garden on raise beds which I make with tractor in the fall. In the spring my garden is basically notill. I have an attachment on tractor which breaks crust on the raised beds. I just plant on that with no tillage. I have one advantage here as I can till the garden up in Oct and make the beds. Any weeds close enough to surface to germinate will do so right away then be killed by frost 3 weeks later before going to seed. I rarely ever use my cultivators any more, as I spend my off years getting rid of weeds.

My fertilizing unit is not a factory IH job. It is electric driven by a 12 volt motor, and it has two down spouts. I didn't use that one last year as I went to 28% N solution and used a modified backpack sprayer for application. I broadcast all my P and K in the fall. My garden is basically notill on the garden plot in the actual year of vegetables. In the south I could see this being a bit more difficult without cold weather and deep freeze to kill off those weeds. I supose you could use Roundup in place of the frost.

I don't think you will find a tractor mounted seeder much benefit on small garden amounts. I guess for me I had and in fact used the hand push seeder even when commercially growing vegetables, for items one didn't grow a lot of. I find now that I just have a personal garden, all seeds fall in that catergory.

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