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Next Project --- SMTA with STUCK ENGINE!!!!!!!

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BIG JOHN

02-22-2004 18:58:00




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I've tried it all..... ..

I have a nice SMTA with a stuck engine. Had it for just over a year and have had it soaking in just about everything. PB Blaster, Kanroil, Siliroil, Turpintine, you name it and I think I have tried it. Tried rocking it with wheel jacked up, pry bar on the fly wheel, crank with weights, etc.

Tractor had been stored inside and shows no signs of rust or water. Had the pan and valve cover off and everything looks good.

I give up. It looks like it is tear down time unless somebody comes up with something I haven't tried.

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Troy in Michigan

02-23-2004 17:29:58




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 Re: Next Project --- SMTA with STUCK ENGINE!!!! in reply to BIG JOHN, 02-22-2004 18:58:00  
I freed an MD a few months ago using the grease method. At first, I had trouble sealing the valves so that the grease wouldn't just seep past the valves. But I ended up closing the leaks off by pasting JB Weld around the valves (cylinder-side only). I filled the cylinder with grease before attaching the grease gun. After about five pumps of the gun, I noticed the fan blade start to rotate. I would definately recommend this method.

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RayA

02-23-2004 15:44:11




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 Re: Next Project --- SMTA with STUCK ENGINE!!!! in reply to BIG JOHN, 02-22-2004 18:58:00  
I cant testify personally to this, but one of my friends said that he had heard of people freeing up pistions by putting a combination of dry ice and gasoline in the cylinders. Again, havent done this personally and cant testify to its effectiveness/unaffectiveness or possible damage of this method. The only thing I would think you would have to watch is that the coolant would need to be drained so you wouldnt freeze any other liquid that might be in the block. Some of the other guys in YT might could give more input on the use of this method such as if it really works or not. Good luck. RayA

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Dan Kelley

02-23-2004 07:38:42




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 Re: Next Project --- SMTA with STUCK ENGINE!!!! in reply to BIG JOHN, 02-22-2004 18:58:00  
I worry about the compressed air method, because once the air breaks the rings loose, you could shoot the pistons to the bottom of the bore with considerable speed. You can easily break things like that.

Here's something I've been thinking of doing on my Case VAIW with a stuck motor. Rig an adapter for your grease gun to the sparkplug holes. Remove the rocker shaft and be sure the valves on the selected cylinder are closed. Remove all the spark plugs. Start pumping grease into one of the cylinders, then move to the next and then the next. You may even want to see about working a bunch of grease into the cylinders before hooking up the adapter. You want to get as much air out of the cylinders as possible before hooking up the adapter. Go slowly. Work a little on one cylinder, and then a little on the next. Remember that you will have a bunch of hydraulic advantage with a grease gun. If you do not go very slowly, you can bend things.

Regardless, this method has the advantage of more control. The hydraulic pump idea will not be as nearly controllable as the grease-gun idea. Both of those methods have the advantage of the fact that fluids are not compressible. So, once you let off, everything should stop. With the air method, once you let off, things will keep moving until the air has decompressed.

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Jim in michigan

02-23-2004 06:35:52




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 Re: Next Project --- SMTA with STUCK ENGINE!!!! in reply to BIG JOHN, 02-22-2004 18:58:00  
you could try the air idea, that might work,, I wouldnt try setting fire to it though,, might work, but any grease or anything on the tractor could catch fire too,,I would pull the pan and the head and do it right, since soaking hasnt worked, I would pull the pan and the bearings then see what ya have..if that doesnt help then pull the head and do it right,, thats kind of a rare tractor, so doing it the right way is probably the best way, ..IMHO,,Jim

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rebuilder

02-23-2004 04:23:22




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 Re: Next Project --- SMTA with STUCK ENGINE!!!! in reply to BIG JOHN, 02-22-2004 18:58:00  

Big John;

One of the older mechanics told me he used to rig hydraulic hoses to two of the spark plub holes(not sure which ones) and just use the tractor remote valves to send pressure first to one cylinder, then to the other until the engine was free. I have never tried this myself, but he swore by it.



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ny bill

02-23-2004 02:41:20




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 Re: Next Project --- SMTA with STUCK ENGINE!!!! in reply to BIG JOHN, 02-22-2004 18:58:00  
i used an adapter like chad mentioned on my a. took an old champion plug, knocked the guts out of it, and threaded an air quick coupler to it. 2 applications of air and the engine was unstuck.



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ChadS

02-22-2004 20:56:03




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 Re: Next Project --- SMTA with STUCK ENGINE!!!! in reply to BIG JOHN, 02-22-2004 18:58:00  
I have made a spark plug adapter that goes in to the spark plug hole, and hooked up an air hose to pressurize the cyl for a while to make the oil or penetraiting oil push down the side of the pistons, After about 10 min on each cyl at 150psi, it broke loose. May work for you, may not,, ChadS



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Andy in Ohio

02-22-2004 19:38:37




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 Re: Next Project --- SMTA with STUCK ENGINE!!!! in reply to BIG JOHN, 02-22-2004 18:58:00  
I just bought an H' locked up, sitting outsidefor a year or so, guy had soaked the cyl to no avail. I got it home and pulled the pan, then started pulling the rod caps. The first one I pulled just happened to be stuck, turned the crank overwith no more stuck. I tapped and pulled and finally got it loose. I made sure to oil the cyl. good and work it back and forth a few times. Tractor runs great without pulling the head. Got lucky I guess. You might try it before tearing something up. Good luck, Andy

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John A.

02-22-2004 19:02:36




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 Re: Next Project --- SMTA with STUCK ENGINE!!!! in reply to BIG JOHN, 02-22-2004 18:58:00  
Big John, Fill the cylinders up with Diesel. Then set it on fire!. Let the fire burn itself out then rock the rear wheel. The fire should expand the cylinder enough to get the piston to free up.
Good Luck,
John A.



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