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Peabody

02-14-2004 16:52:47




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Miserable day today in Central Alabama, mid 40's, breezy and light rain. I went out to crank my Super C and Cub. I must have the C in perfect time, cause it turned over about a quarter turn and fired right up (6 volt and all) and purred like a kitten. After a minute or so, I mounted my Cub to start it and suddenly the C started to sputter. It
was definitely running one three. I pulled the number 1 plug wire and there was no difference, so I knew that was the culprit. When I went to reattach the wire, when close enough to hear the spark jump, it ran smooth as silk, but when I attached the boot to the plug it ran rough again. I removed, cleaned and regapped the plug, but the same result. I swapped plugs and it ran just fine. I am going to replace all plugs next week. What causes this phenomenon that the plug fires fine when the wire is held just away and the spark is allowed to jump it runs smoothly, but when the wire is attached to the plug it won't fire??

Oh, by the way, the Cub started and ran like a champ!

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Gomer

02-15-2004 20:43:42




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 Re: Spark Plug Voodoo in reply to Peabody, 02-14-2004 16:52:47  
Yep-----the extra gap will cause the old plug to fire. We used to have trouble with old John Deere's misfiring due to worn out or old spark plugs. We just hooked a rubber piece to the wire and hung it over the spark plug leaving about a one-fourth inch gap. It ran all day, until we could get new spark plugs. I have a motorcycle that will flood a little and wet one of the plugs. It will mis-fire until I lift the wire and boot off the plug and listen to it snap. Then it will start to fire and run ok all day.

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Peabody

02-15-2004 17:58:19




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 Re: Spark Plug Voodoo in reply to Peabody, 02-14-2004 16:52:47  
Thanks for the info, guys. I knew all I had to do was ask the question here and it would be explained thoroughly to me. God, I love this site!



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Jim Ivens

02-15-2004 14:59:29




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 Re: Spark Plug Voodoo in reply to Peabody, 02-14-2004 16:52:47  
Through away the champions, and use autolite.It works



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Peabody

02-15-2004 18:04:16




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 Re: Re: Spark Plug Voodoo in reply to Jim Ivens, 02-15-2004 14:59:29  
How did you know they are Champions? I've seen this Champion vs. Autolite discussion go on for days before and I don't want to get it started again! (They are Champions, though. D18Y)



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Jim Ivens

02-16-2004 16:13:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Spark Plug Voodoo in reply to Peabody, 02-15-2004 18:04:16  
Well just try autolite new number (3116) and see if it doesn't help It did me



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TomH

02-15-2004 06:35:45




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 Re: Spark Plug Voodoo in reply to Peabody, 02-14-2004 16:52:47  
Another trick you might try is to start the tractor at night and take a look at the distributor and spark plug wires while its dark. I've found shorts a couple of times this way, you can't see them when it's light.



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Nebraska Cowman

02-14-2004 17:14:58




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 Re: Spark Plug Voodoo in reply to Peabody, 02-14-2004 16:52:47  
something about the spark jumping increases the voltage. i don't pretend to understand electricity



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Mark

02-15-2004 05:44:52




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 Re: Re: Spark Plug Voodoo in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 02-14-2004 17:14:58  
Right on target brother.

The coil is a magnetic device and it's basic philosophy is that it is going to generate whatever voltage it has to to keep current flowing...current is what you see when you pull the plug wire and see the spark....and current is what was running into it from the battery during the time that the contacts were closed.

Apparently, as mentioned by Doug in OR, the insulator is "leaking" (a term for being a semiconductor rather than a pure insulator). As a result, as the points open and the energy (that was stored in the coil when they were closed) starts releasing, it attempts to do what I said in paragraph 1. With a leaking insulator, the coil doesn't have to get to very much voltage to push out the energy stored in it (current flow) and essentially bleads off at low voltage.

However, when you pull the plug wire and initiate a "jump", there is no leakage there (thin air) and the coil can do it's thing per para 1 and get to a good 18,000 volts and put out a smack...thus the plug fires even though the insulator is still "leaking". Additionally, when you jump a plug with the wire, you'll get a good smack...really bigger that what occurs in the combustion chamber as your gap is .100 to .200 inches or thereabouts, while the plug has been set to .030 thereabouts. Bigger the gap, the more voltage the coil has to generate to "attempt to keep current (in the coil) flowing".

I have read posts herein and thoroughly believe that you should either install new plugs when you suspect a problem or give the insulators a very good sandblasting. Your combuston chamber acts like a KILN, used to bake ceramics, and it bakes combuston by products to the insulator and eventually there is enough crud to conduct electricity. Just spraying them with chemical cleaner won't remove it.

Mark

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Seifdoggy2

02-17-2004 19:54:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Spark Plug Voodoo in reply to Mark, 02-15-2004 05:44:52  
Let me just add to Marks comment about plugs shorting out. He said chemical cleaners will not clean the insulators back to a pure state.

He mentioned that a sandblasting is the only way to clean them. He partly correct. Sandblasting would clean the insulators IF YOU COULD CLEAN ALL OF THE INSULATOR. This is impossible to do on a sparkplug. It may look clean but, you can not clean ALL of it.

This is especially true of plugs that are "gas fouled" from having too rich of a mixture. I have expermented quite extensively on this. I have a spark plug testing machine that tests them under pressure.

Bottom line is: put new plugs in, most fouled plugs cannot be saved. Seif.

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Doug in OR

02-14-2004 17:35:31




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 Re: Re: Spark Plug Voodoo in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 02-14-2004 17:14:58  
You hit it on the head, CowMan. A coil only develops voltage until it jumps the gap. If you widen the gap (like pulling the wire farther away) the coil will develop a higher voltage on that plug. This is where I take exception to many coil ads where they claim "50,000 volts" and such. 50,000 volts when?

The problem is probably a dirty insulator on the plug. Yes, replacing the plugs is a good idea.

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farmallman

02-14-2004 17:03:24




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 Re: Spark Plug Voodoo in reply to Peabody, 02-14-2004 16:52:47  
was there any doubt that the cub would not run like a champ???? i'm a cub man



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