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Michele

02-06-2004 06:30:29




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My husband and I live in Kentucky and have recently bought an M. When he went to get some parts for it they told him it was what they called a "war time" tractor. The only info I can find is on H's. Can anyone help me, is this really a war time tractor? The serial # is 64068, it's a 1943 model. If anyone knows please tell me. Thanks.




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Dave - Illinois

02-07-2004 12:10:33




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 Re: war time Farmall ? in reply to Michele, 02-06-2004 06:30:29  
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I guess my H could be called an "End of the War tractor"! If the production of H's was steady during '45 then based on the S/N it was built very close to the day that the Bomb was dropped on Japan. S/N is 204178

Here is a picture of it last year. Just back from the shop getting engine overhauled.

Dave Olson - East-Central Illinois

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Sid

02-07-2004 00:39:29




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 Re: war time Farmall ? in reply to Michele, 02-06-2004 06:30:29  
Apart from features already mentioned, my 1943 H also had steel fins on the radiator, most of which had rusted away by the time I acquired the tractor in 1981.



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Jon

02-06-2004 21:13:40




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 Re: war time Farmall ? in reply to Michele, 02-06-2004 06:30:29  
The grill emblem of wartime tractors is also steel as opposed to aluminum.



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Brad

02-06-2004 19:58:15




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 Re: war time Farmall ? in reply to Michele, 02-06-2004 06:30:29  
My Farmalll A was built mid-year 1946 and has a cast gear shift knob. The earliest casting date on it is February of 1946. When I was buying gaskets from the local Case IH dealer one of the old guys remarked that it must be among the first crop of tractors when IHC started building tractors again after the war. I took it to mean when IHC diverted their efforts from tractor building in 45 and devoted their energy to military vehicles.

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G.King

02-06-2004 19:11:41




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 Re: war time Farmall ? in reply to Michele, 02-06-2004 06:30:29  
Father in laws 43H came with no battery , lights, or starter, and on steel,



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DON

02-06-2004 10:55:35




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 Re: war time Farmall ? in reply to Michele, 02-06-2004 06:30:29  
One of our neighbors bought a "wartime" H on steel. Before he had made first crop steel rims had been cut off and scrapped and rims for tires welded on so instead of saving materials in that case at least it was a waste of material. As for distillate most all tractors in my area were distillate from day one untill late fortys. We had 1944 M for years and other than steel shifter knob I saw no difference in it and other Ms on place.

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jed

02-06-2004 10:22:02




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 Re: war time Farmall ? in reply to Michele, 02-06-2004 06:30:29  
And whether it is a wartime tractor is important because? Does it add to the value? Are tractors built during the Vietnam War, war tractors too ?
What about the Korean Conflict, are those Conflict year tractors?



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P.J.

02-07-2004 12:22:25




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 Re: Re: war time Farmall ? in reply to jed, 02-06-2004 10:22:02  
Jed..... Those would be "Police action" tractors. Vietnam era tractors would thus be "Lost cause" tractors, and Iraq era would be aptly named "Kick A$$ and take names" tractors...Taditionally, "Wartime" tractors were those manufactured during the years of 1943-44-45. What makes them different from other war era tractors is the scarcity and rationing of materials that did not exist in other wars. While farm machinery had many modifications to comply with war limitations, they were still produced. Unlike the auto industry which was halted during the 1942 production year and not resumed until the 1946 production year in order for the facilities to produce tanks, bombers, fighters, and other armaments for the war.

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Bill Smith

02-06-2004 10:17:20




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 Re: war time Farmall ? in reply to Michele, 02-06-2004 06:30:29  
In reality, 43, 4, and 5 are the war year tractors. This is where you see a few changes in production related to the war. The following options were likely but not nescisarily. Steel wheel's instead of rubber tires (road gear blocked off), kerosene or distillate burner instead of a gas, metal gear shift knob instead of rubber, and there are probably some others that would fit into those years. As far as these changes making the tractor really different, it really didn't. The wheels and choise of fuel burning engine were already options, and if you had enough ration stamps you could go ahead and get the rubber tires I think. Come to think of it, wasn't gas rationed also. But if you had enough gas rations, the gas burners wouldn't of been a problem either. Well anyways, the real big thing was that the lesser options became more common generally speaking.

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Buzzman72

02-07-2004 11:48:36




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 Re: Re: war time Farmall ? in reply to Bill Smith, 02-06-2004 10:17:20  
Yes, gasoline was rationed during WWII, but it wasn't a matter of ration stamps, but cards. The local ration board assigned either a "A," "B," or "C" card depending upon what the primary usage of the vehicle was. For example, even though my dad and grand-dad were in the farm equipment sales and repair business, and made on-the-farm service calls, their company vehicle only got an "A" card, which was the lowest level of fuel allowed. In contrast, my dad also applied for a ration card for his two-wheeled garden tractor...and was issued a "C" card (virtually unlimited fuel usage)! But then, "victory gardens" were considered very important to the war effort.

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Richard Fazio

02-06-2004 07:49:13




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 Re: war time Farmall ? in reply to Michele, 02-06-2004 06:30:29  
Yes it's a 43 so it's a "war time". If what your concerned about is parts availablity, that's not a problem. I just got myself an M also. It's a 38 and all the parts you could want are available. If your interested I could email you a bunch of Farmall sites to learn more about you tractor, and where to get parts.



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Wayne Swenson

02-06-2004 08:19:05




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 Re: Re: war time Farmall ? in reply to Richard Fazio, 02-06-2004 07:49:13  
Are you sure it is a '38 model?
To the best of my knowledge IH made the M starting in '39???



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Buzzman72

02-06-2004 07:04:28




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 Re: war time Farmall ? in reply to Michele, 02-06-2004 06:30:29  
Historically speaking, the US declared war on Japan--and entered World War II--on December 8, 1941. World War II is considered to have ended in September of 1945. So any tractor built between 1942 and 1945 is normally considered a wartime tractor. Since natural rubber was imported--and a lot of the synthetic substitutes were still being developed in the laboratory--rubber items, such as tires, were strictly rationed during the war, That is, you received books of ration coupons for war-critical items, such as sugar, tires, and gasoline. Whenever you purchased these items, you had to deliver the proper ration coupons or these products would not be issued (except by black-market businesses), because the retailers couldn't get replacements without turning in the coupons they had collected. [That's how it was SUPPOSED to work; sometimes, people worked around the rules.] Due to the shortage of rubber, IH used cast-iron shift knobs on some tractors (I was told that was 1944 only--as that was the most critical stage of WWII--but I've also heard otherwise), and in some areas of the country, steel wheels were used because of a shortage of rubber tires.

But, technically, a tractor built between 1942 and 1945 is STILL a "wartime" tractor, whether it has these items or not.

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Red

02-06-2004 09:34:22




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 Re: Re: war time Farmall ? in reply to Buzzman72, 02-06-2004 07:04:28  
Historically any tractor built between 1939 and 1945 is a 'Wartime Tractor' here in Canada. Massey Harris was given special permission to build big Massey's to take the place of military taken off the farm overseas. The 201 Massey was one of the big 4 plough tractors built in 1940 and as most people know the 'Harvest Brigade' was started using Massey combines to custom harvest the grain starting early in the season in the deep south and slowly moving north later in the season to finish things up before the snow flew.
Once 2001 when I was in Minden Nebraska at the giant Wrap Ag.Museum I spoke to an elderly lady spinning wool. Her husband participated in the 'Brigade' and was still doing custom work across the country today more than 50 years later.

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big fred

02-06-2004 07:03:09




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 Re: war time Farmall ? in reply to Michele, 02-06-2004 06:30:29  
I'd guess that since the war started in 1941 and ended in 1945, that a tractor produced in 1943 could be considered a "war time tractor".



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Dave_Id

02-06-2004 06:45:29




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 Re: war time Farmall ? in reply to Michele, 02-06-2004 06:30:29  
The only thing I know about those years is that they had a steel shifter knob instead of rubber, and that it probably came with steel wheels originally, does it have cutoff rims now? (the steel spokes cut off and new rims welded onto the spokes)



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