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farmerjohn

02-04-2004 20:03:26




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I got a Deering grain binder, horse drawn, it seems pretty old, I think it is a "New Ideal." There is a picture of one in the one IHC history book I saw exactly like it dated in the 1920's except mine has a rubber pneumatic tire on the bull wheel. My brother's mother-in-law has one the same thing, a rubber tire. My question is; was the rubber tire an option back then or was it added later to "update" the machine? It just seems out of place to me.

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Haas

02-05-2004 10:51:04




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 Re: grain binder bull wheel in reply to farmerjohn, 02-04-2004 20:03:26  
The one we had when I was a kid on the farm in Missouri had rubber tires on both the bull wheel and the outside wheel that supported the table. It had iron transport wheels. I think the binder was probably from the 1930s. However, I suppose the rubber tires could have been added after WWII, but I don't think that was the case.



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little john

02-05-2004 04:08:10




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 Re: grain binder bull wheel in reply to farmerjohn, 02-04-2004 20:03:26  
One I remember from the 1940s had a steel wheel. I would think you and Hugh are right.....rubber tire wasn't original.



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Hugh MacKay

02-05-2004 00:06:25




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 Re: grain binder bull wheel in reply to farmerjohn, 02-04-2004 20:03:26  
John: I am not sure I'm right but here are my thoughts. There was an old Deering binder still in use on our home farm into thr 50s. It probably was as old as the one you have. Shortly after WW#2 the bull wheel had to be replaced on our binder. I was quite young back then but do remember the spokes on the steel wheel broke off at the hub. Why it wasn't repaired, I can't tell you. My dad and grandad were very frugal men, so it must have been less expensive to replace the wheel. Maybe it had been repaired once by that time. I do know our binder wheel was replaced by a new steel wheel. I have reason to believe other binder wheels were replaced in that era as well. When I was a kid it was common to see binder bull wheels lying around farms and not on binder. My thoughts are that rubber tired bull wheels probably were not available until after the war.

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Jimmy King

02-05-2004 08:54:55




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 Re: Re: grain binder bull wheel in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-05-2004 00:06:25  
Hugh you are proably right my Granddad bought a new IHC PTO 10 ft. binder and I can just remember it so it must have been just after the war, and all the tires on it were rubber. We used it intil the middle fifties. and I don't remember ever having a flat on the bull wheel.



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Hugh MacKay

02-05-2004 10:08:18




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 Re: Re: Re: grain binder bull wheel in reply to Jimmy King, 02-05-2004 08:54:55  
Jim: While John didn't say, as I recall I never saw a rubber tired binder without pto drive. The one we had was only 8' cut, and ground drive, had a bull wheel about 3' diameter and about 10" wide with blade type cletes 1.25" high for traction. I can remember if you happened to stop with it full of grain, I've seen that bull wheel drag a bit starting out again. In fact the odd time I've seen bull wheel marks left on field about 6" deep, from the bull wheel draging.

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JB

02-05-2004 17:31:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: grain binder bull wheel in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-05-2004 10:08:18  
Hi on the binder that we had and many others in the neighborhood the all steel bull wheel had been relace by a truck rim and rubber tire. This was accomplished at the local welding shop by cutting the spokes off the old steel bull wheel tire and welding the spokes to a used dual wheel truck rim.
The rubber tire was supposed to give a smoother ride. I don't think we ever put many psi of air in it.

JB

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