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Michael Soldan

02-03-2004 20:35:54




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A recent post about parting out tractors made me aware of my weekly reading material. In the Western Ontario Farmer, a weekly paper that serves the farming community there are several ads appearing that even list what is in, new, for wrecking ie)Just in for salvage: I-H 2504,1066,384,414,766 White 1370, 2-85,2-150,2-155,1465, Ford 8600,AC 1-600,200,190XT, MF1085,135 and Kubota 4150 4WD There are four such ads from various wreckers listing the new salvage. There are also several ads under" WANTED" "Burned or damaged tractors in any condition top dollar paid" and there are several ads for farm tractor with or without loaders, any condition, top dollars paid. There are about 4 dealers across Ontario that buy tractors in any condition, amass 100's and then hold a spring or fall auction. I have gone to one of these auctions but never again. The auctioneer starts a bid on the tractor and after some time he just says "That's not enough money boys" and he moves on to the next..there are no bargains and the auctioneer makes sure of it. Many tractors at these auctions go across the border because of the exchange on the US dollar. So wrecking is big business and there's a demand for the parts that become available..it makes interesting reading...Mike in Exeter Ontario

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moonlite

02-04-2004 17:54:37




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 Re: Wrecking Tractors for $ in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-03-2004 20:35:54  
Every tractor going to salvage is one less tractor someone will be looking to find parts for. Seems this has to be a delicate balance as there is only one source for used parts-----



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Paul in Mich

02-04-2004 10:34:10




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 Re: Wrecking Tractors for $ in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-03-2004 20:35:54  
In many ways it breaks my heart to see a tractor parted out, especially if it has a chance for survival, however, it is easy to opine from afar, since it is someone elses property. Those of us who recondition or restore are in some way grateful to the guy who just happens to have the part we need, whether it is off a tractor in a fence row or one just recently designated to be parted out. Also, not everyone has the same passion for preserving the past. This attitude transends antique tractors. Think of the buildings that have been razed that may have historical value to everyone but the owner. Or the farmer who sells off frontage because the commercial value far exceeds what he will ever realize in a lifetime by farming the same acerage. Parted out tractors are parted out because as most of us know, it costs, in most cases, far more to restore a tractor than the finished restoration. Unless the owner plans on restoring the tractor for himself, he is better off selling parts to folks like us. If we didnt buy them, they wouldnt sell them. And are we so arrogant as to think he should just sell us the tractor for junk price in order for us to get a bargain or worse to part out the tractor ourselves? Yeah, it is bothersome, but only to a lesser degree. At least tractor parts bring more to the actual owner than kidneys or hearts. a

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Jim in michigan

02-04-2004 06:21:07




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 Re: Wrecking Tractors for $ in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-03-2004 20:35:54  
I am with Hugh..some tractors just should be parted out,,I have a Oliver 70 here that is that way,,,I auled it in form the woods on someones property,,,,sheet metal is shot or missing, the engine turns over but is missing a lot of parts. and the thing will not steer, clutch wont work and the tranny is siezed up....I should junk it or part it out,,,,Jim



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Bob in SE Nebraska

02-04-2004 05:55:51




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 Re: Wrecking Tractors for $ in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-03-2004 20:35:54  
I have to admit that it is difficult for me to see a restorable tractor be parted out in a salvage yard or by an individual. I have made some very bad decisions to restore more than one tractor that should have been parted out due to the bad condition it was in. For me there was no decision to make as I just couldn't let the tractor go.

Even though it is hard for me to see a tractor salvaged out I have to admit it would be very difficult for me to restore tractors without the salvage yards. A recent arrival in a salvage yard will draw my attention pretty quick. I don't know if these old tractors will ever be worth anything but if more and more old tractors go to the salvage yards perhaps my restored tractor will be valued more. I hope so!

Bob rfrey1@alltel.net

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Hugh MacKay

02-04-2004 04:03:34




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 Re: Wrecking Tractors for $ in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-03-2004 20:35:54  
Michael: As I see the problem with old tractors, too much of the business of buying and selling is being conducted with the heart rather than with the head. Every day you hear of another tractor parked because family of a deceased can't agree that it really isn't worth that much. Grampa really didn't carry out good maintainence the last 10 years of his life, and tractor is really not in top working order. Oh yes it goes, will disk the garden up. Tractors can and do operate for a lot of years with mechanical items malfunctioning or broken. So then it sits for another 10 to 20 engine sticks, etc. Then some family member finally decides to call in the wrecker. By then the tractor is actually worth nothing.

To the wrecker he has workers he either keeps busy or they find some other employment. Dismanteling tractors is not all profit. I'm sure many a wrecker has refused an offer on a whole tractor, only to dismantle and after expences has less money.

The problem my friend is not the businessmen making business decissions. The problem is old tractor buyers and sellers dealing with their heart and emotions

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Dave 2N

02-04-2004 06:58:30




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 Re: Re: Wrecking Tractors for $ in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-04-2004 04:03:34  
Amen!!
Here's a typical situation: I know where there is a still useable/refurbishable JD B. But the family says it was "Dad's first tractor; he bought it when he started farming in 1949." Well, Dad's been dead for 12 years, the tractor has been just sitting, and the family can't make up it's mind about selling it. No one in the family really wants it to use; they just want to keep it because it was Dad's first tractor. OK-no problem, but again, no one wants to keep it, use it, or fix it up, so it just sits, deteriorating a little every day. And no, they wouldn't consider $1000.00 for it, even though that is probably more than it is really worth because of some things that really need attention. So....they will just let it sit and be offended by the next person who offers them fewer $$$ next year and eventually it will rust into the ground or find its way to a boneyard. Sad but typical...

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333

02-04-2004 12:05:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Wrecking Tractors for $ in reply to Dave 2N, 02-04-2004 06:58:30  
I have read the last three posts and understand what you are saying, it is hard to see others wasting what you can improve or preserve, but they payed for the machine, the tractor or whatever it is and they can waste it if they want, it is there property, not yours, just like you wouldn't want me or anybody else to tell you what to do with yours, keep trying to buy it and maybe they will buckle, right before christmas is usually a good time

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jeff

02-04-2004 18:53:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Wrecking Tractors for $ in reply to 333, 02-04-2004 12:05:58  
I can throw one in on this. About 1981 I was up in the allentown area of PA going to a car salvage yard. Geese yard and there was a VERY puff 1964 Ford Galaxy 500 2dr hard top in canary yellow with black hard top. Drove in from dealer and I asked if it could be pur---- "NOPE the title is turned in to motor vehicle" I just had to leave before they drove it over to the crusher. The story gets worse. On the way home not five miles down the road from this yard is a farm. This was early spring time. There parked by the house is another 1964 Galaxy 4dr sedan in bronze. I pull in and just can't get over this car. It is like MINT. here comes over a kid about 18 and we chat about the car, His unkle gave him this car two days ago. I beg him to sell me the car. I offer him close to the price of a VERY nice used pickup. He has rubber boots on with cow poo up about 1/2 of the way. You got it ,the floor mats had just the start of makin a good flower pot. NOPE--- a beauty of a garage kept car. Why do people do this!!!!????? ? UFFA! Jeff

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Dave 2N

02-04-2004 13:03:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Wrecking Tractors for $ in reply to 333, 02-04-2004 12:05:58  
333 (M-H?)
No one is telling them what they should do. We agree that it is their tractor; we are just commenting on the theme of the original post, that being what a shame it is about what is happening to these good machines. No one is trying to tell anyone what they should do with their own property.



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Buzzman72

02-04-2004 07:19:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Wrecking Tractors for $ in reply to Dave 2N, 02-04-2004 06:58:30  
Dave, you hit the nail on the head. Last summer, I had to spend ALL my time off cleaning up the old vehicles ar my mother's place. [I'm 49 years old, and Mom is 72, for a point of reference.] Since Dad died over 12 years ago, Mom has a tendancy to want to hang onto anything that was Dad's. Finally, the zoning board gave her 30 days to clear the lot of all the vehicles (there were about 15). Some I managed to get running and sell; others, I finally found someone with a tilt-bed and a winch to haul away for free. So what's left now is Dad's '67 International 3/4-ton pickup and his 1944 Farmall H...right now, I have 'dibs' on the H in exchange for the work I did...and Mom still hasn't decided to part with the pickup. (The zoning people understand this, and they have held off further action because of the progress I made within a short time).

But then, I found a closet at Mom's house that still has Dad's clothes...I mean, it's not like he's coming back for 'em anytime soon...

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Bill B

02-04-2004 08:53:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Wrecking Tractors for $ in reply to Buzzman72, 02-04-2004 07:19:18  
It is really tough to part with the stuff left after someone who was loved, and now missed, is gone. Most of us hang on to stuff we dont need because it belonged to someone special. I have the work apron my father used in the print shop. I dont need it, but I have it. Those clothes will probably be there when your mother dies, and they will probably do no harm in the meanwhile. In a way, it is sad the zoning folks force people to part with their junk, but they are under pressure from neighbors who want a picture perfect view, even the view they dont own. I have a big fence that hides all my projects from view.
As for rusting tractors, there is an M nearby that has been sitting outside for years, the engine is stuck, badly rusted, and I stopped last year to inquire, and the price was $1000. I can buy a nice one for 1500 to 2000, and I could never fix this one to be nice for the difference in price. I did buy a rusty H with a stuck engine for $300, and traded it for another tractor, and some kid ended up with the H, and has gotten it running and took it to the woodstock fair last fall. Glad a kid had the ambition to fix it, glad it was cheap enough for him to be able to buy it. Glad it did not go to the scrap yard.

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BlueLite

02-04-2004 06:31:23




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 Re: Re: Wrecking Tractors for $ in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-04-2004 04:03:34  
Partially, there is a certain percentage of people that are usually city people trying homesteading for the first time
and some will fall into that trap.

What Mike says is pretty much right on. But there is another reason the 40's-70's tractors
are a volotile business. These same people have need of a small 25-50 hp tractor for small acreages and the only other option are the Branson's and Kubota's that are there to fill that niche. The problem is the Mfg. didn't factor in these people are on a small budget as they are just starting out. At 40000$ a machine on average that pretty much leaves a second mortgage option on the farm.

My opinion is that the market for a low powered tractor is still out there and these Mfg. failed to meet the market by going modern. If I had the millions, I'd get the rights for re-mfg some of the older models, not changing a thing on them, not even the tin or tooling or casting, a guy can pick up an old manual and repair it. These tractors can be sold I'm sure at 15-20000$ and still make a wholesale profit margin I'm sure. I'd take away the aluminum of the Bradson's and gizmo's that only the Japanese can benefit from for parts, and replace with cast iron of the oldies,repairable ignition, and heavy windings of the starters,etc.

Here in eastern Ontario one can still purchase
a good used tractor from the sales ads. The estate tractors you mention are not my experience. They are reliable tractors, but may have a sitting problem from under use, but all in all they are well maintained. It may seem cold and business is business, but the best time to approach these widows is a month or so after the funeral, and before the spring auction, they need to pay off
some bills.

The best time for dealer buying in these parts is in the dead of winter on the coldest day. The dealers are anxious to make sales in this off season and make up for the loss by selling snow blowers,ski doos and ATV's and the like. Bring a charged heavy duty battery and jumper cables, a few tools and socket sets, a snow mobile suit and boots, a spray can of "Eazy Start" then go shopping. Don't expect them to take you to the tractor. You can save up to 500$ off season.

For auctions, stay local and time it for a real bad day. Nice spring sunny days with the birds chirping make people buy. Try the tractor before the sale by taking a drive down to the place beforehand. Bid only at the last bid. These people can read a face like a book. If 10 guys are in a battle for it, walk away. 7 of them are "price lifters" for the auction company. Auctions I have found are a thing of chance anyway. Seems like everyone else is lucky cept me.

M2C

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Michael Soldan

02-04-2004 05:42:10




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 Re: Re: Wrecking Tractors for $ in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-04-2004 04:03:34  
Yes that's true Hugh, I guess some tractors need wrecking, some people need to look around them. I was just pointing out to everyone how much of a business the machinery industry is. I remember being asked $500 for two gears for the PTO on my 310 Case at a wreckers. You could put these gears in your one hand. New ones were $700. I didn't know much at the time but it seemed to me there was some either wear or bevel or combination on one side of the gear so we got haggling and I told the guy they weren't much better than what I took out..he finally said OK how's $250...I took them! Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Hugh MacKay

02-04-2004 06:20:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Wrecking Tractors for $ in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-04-2004 05:42:10  
Michael: If many more people were as frugal as you and I, the tractor wrecking business would not be so lucrative. These guys kind of have the best of both worlds, suppliers as well as customers both dealing with heart and emotion.

What they need is a bit more competition. Very simple to establish. Just buy a dozen old tractors, park them out in sight. Do very little dismantling in sight, show your restored tractors very little. Always have some unfinished ptoject on one of those outside line up of tractors. A friend of mine has just that. He has numerous inqiuries from people wanting parts. What is more important, people come offering their unused old tractors for little or nothing. He tells me that ever since the dozen tractors, he now looks for very little.

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