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gorilla

02-02-2004 18:27:23




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Im going to a farm equipment auction in my area this weekend & thinking about trying to buy a tractor. Can anyone offer some pro's & con's to buying at an auction as opposed to an individual? Also what things should I look for? Thanks.




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DAVE BACON

02-05-2004 18:53:07




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 Re: Auction in reply to gorilla, 02-02-2004 18:27:23  
Perhaps I will open a can of worms, but auctions are usualy in fact a business, thus they want to make the most profit possible. I give a helping hand to a few auctioners. I also try to get into everyones heads. For instance if you watch a ring man very carfully he may say yep yep yep to the auctioner--watch his hands -- many use a open hand for air bids--and a closed fist for a actual bid. Ever go to a truck load tool auction? Listen for the lot number--say lot number 50 ---if you get a $100.00 dollar bid they have lots to sell-otherwise only one. Some divide the number in 1/2 for a code-thus lot 100 must bring $50.00. Another ring man tip off is to cry yep yep yep--once they get a actual bid the ring man taps the auctioners toe with his. Another is yep yep yep--and then a yea--the yea means a actual bid. If a auctioner has a old tractor collection, best not go to his sales as he will take the bargins home. This changes nothing if the tractor is worth the money to you. Dave NE Iowa

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tracrorhead

02-06-2004 06:03:17




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 Re: Re: Auction in reply to DAVE BACON, 02-05-2004 18:53:07  
thanks Dave , that was interesting. jimmy



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tractorhead

02-04-2004 05:43:26




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 Re: Auction in reply to gorilla, 02-02-2004 18:27:23  
I learned one at the last auction we went to,I will never let my wife bit again, when the bidding gets hot and heavy she takes it personal, when I was off somerwhere she started bidding on a farmall A I wanted I told her to stop at 2200, well she went to 3400,and got it, she said she I showed them to take a women seriously, go figger????? ?? jimmy



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Grant

02-03-2004 14:35:42




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 Re: Auction in reply to gorilla, 02-02-2004 18:27:23  
Auctions are a lot of fun to go to, but like everyones said, they can be dangerous too. Last december we got a Case 580 SuperK from a consignment auction. It had good rubber, hydralics, cab and 1900 hours. It was fine for 6 months then we had all sorts of problems. There was a bad oil leak in the hoe and the reverser and/or hydraulic pump went bad. We took our losses on that one and traded it in on a new 580M.

However the flip side is that you can find diamonds in the rough. We got a farmall 460 diesel for $1400. Took some things apart and gave it a good cleaning and now that thing purrs like a kitten(and can do some growling too.)

One of the most wild things to watch is fast hitch equipment. Theres so many items like carryalls that go for 5-600$. I'd love to get a blade, but i've seen them go for 800$, probably much much more than they were new.

Remember, test out what you are looking to buy. Look at all the grease points, check the oil, radiator hose and connections(as long as its not hot) brakes, tires, anything that you think might need replaced. Thats what makes the deals at auctions not the deals you think they are.

Anyways have fun and try not to make the wife too mad. They hate it when tractors follow you home.

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JimB

02-03-2004 13:56:46




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 Re: Auction in reply to gorilla, 02-02-2004 18:27:23  
I have bought a lot of equipment at auctions. If its on a clean, well-run farm, or estate, I find the equipment is as good, or not better than the equipment you can find on a used dealer's lot. If the guy still has it, it means the equipment is not obsolete or worn-out.

I try and watch the machinery jockeys and see what they bid. When they quit, that's what the wholesale price is. That is what you should pay at an auction because all sales are final and there is no warranty.

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Jim

02-03-2004 13:41:35




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 Re: Auction in reply to gorilla, 02-02-2004 18:27:23  
Like going to auctions and have both paid too much for some things and gotten great deals on others - when I do go I always remember the old saying about auctions:

You just paid more for the item then everybody else there thought it was worth.



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Dave in CT

02-03-2004 08:03:04




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 Re: Auction in reply to gorilla, 02-02-2004 18:27:23  
Go to the "Articles" link under the "Research & Info" section on the left side of this web page, read, print out and take with you the "Buying Your First Tractor" article. Even if you can't start the tractor, this will provide a good checklist of things to look over. I'd also go through the classifieds and photo ads and see if you can find a general going price for tractors in your area. Never get this idea from one price as some are priced pretty high but it'll give you a place to start.

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Dan

02-03-2004 06:41:50




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 Re: Auction in reply to gorilla, 02-02-2004 18:27:23  
There have been some items at auctions that I wished I had bid one more time for. Who knows whether the other bidder would have matched it or not. On the other hand there are times when I wished I had quit earlier. I have watched some popular items go for near new or even higher than new prices due to the bidding frenzie you don't get on a one to one deal. You can get a good or bad deal on either, sometimes you end up sitting through a lot of junk sales to get to the good stuff.

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jf

02-03-2004 01:15:48




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 Re: Auction in reply to gorilla, 02-02-2004 18:27:23  
used to be that an auction established the true value of an item. The least the seller would take and the most the buyer would pay in an open atmosphere, but nowdays some fool with a competitive nature and more money than sense will bid up an item to prove they can. The best approach to an auction is educate yourself, establish a final price and stick to it. I have heard auctioneers say "Don't walk away wishing you had" Its better sometimes to walk away wishing you had rather than wishing you hadn't. Good luck.

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John in NE

02-02-2004 21:11:07




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 Re: Auction in reply to gorilla, 02-02-2004 18:27:23  
To me,buying a tractor or piece of equipment on a farm sale is like buying directly from the owner.The difference is that two people set the final price. On the other hand,a consignment sale can be a little dangerous.At the local "annual consignment sale" in our area,it is not uncommon for a tractor to come from 100 miles away.The auctioneer says it is because he gets top dollar,but I wonder if the seller just doesn't want to upset one of his neighbors with a piece of junk.When I go ,I like to buy a chunk of coal and hope to get a diamond in the rough. John

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dhermesc

02-03-2004 09:15:24




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 Re: Re: Auction in reply to John in NE, 02-02-2004 21:11:07  
I agree estate auctions and retirement auctions are best for finding decent working equipment - even then you must be somewhat wary of what your buying.

Consigment auctions are a good place to pick up equipment cheap - but there is a lot of stuff being "unloaded" that needs to be carefully checked out first. I know of one local consignment auction that it seems at least half the equipment selling has major problems of some kind or another and the owner just wants out from under it. A consignment auction is not a good place for a "novice" to try and buy a tractor. Way to many dealer shysters that know how to conceal problems or dress up a sow's ear to prey on the innocent.

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greatflake

02-02-2004 19:33:45




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 Re: Auction in reply to gorilla, 02-02-2004 18:27:23  
I and my father in law go to a lot of auctions and have been known to come back looking like Sanford and son the main pro and also the main con is that you set the price that your willing to give and you can end up getting "tunnel vision" and end up buying something that you really dont need as bad as you thought you did and end up spending a lot more than you planned just because you decided that you were going to own it no matter what.

one other good thing to say about buying from and individual is that if they have nothing to try and hide you can actually get out and run the equipment where as at an auction you can start it up and see how it runs but not get a feel of it.
plus at auction you gotta make your mind up then, no sleeping on it

dont get me wrong i LIKE to got to auctions but sometimes after its all said and done and i get what i bought home i've ended up wishing that i'd kept my mouth shut.

some of the things i look for are basic stuff check the fluids (burnt or milky oil)and look at grease fittings to see if some of the maint. has been done. I dont know what size tractor your looking for but when we bought our MF35 we didnt think (KNOW) to check the weep hole to see if it was plugged up and it ended up costing $500 to put new seals in the trans. but we still ended up with a fairly good deal in it.

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Jim

02-05-2004 15:32:03




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 Re: Re: Auction in reply to greatflake, 02-02-2004 19:33:45  
1. Don't buy at a consignment auction unless you know for sure what you are getting. You probably would not buy a car you intend to drive for the next five years at the auto auction, where the dealers unload the junk they don't want on their used lot.

2. Do your homework and decide what your top dollar is BEFORE you get there. Most reputable auction companies will let you look the equipment over a few days before the sale.

3. Leave your wife at home. Auctioneers have been known to take bids from either husband or wife and sometimes even have them bidding against one another.

4. Be aware that some auctioneers have shills in the crowd to run up the bid. They know what they want to item to bring and even if they do get the winning bid, no big deal; it will sell again next week.

5. Go to a number of farm auctions with no checkbook and just watch how things go. You will know when its time to buy.

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