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BB

01-31-2004 19:01:33




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My H At start up seems to have good oil pressure. It runs on the i in the word oil on the gage but when the engine gets hot seems to drop way down to near nothing on the gage.(runs below the o in the word oil. Even when giving the machine more throttle does not seem to change the pressure when hot. I have ran the tractor for a hour at a time working it like this. Should I be worrying about my oil pump or is this normal (maybe the gage is not working Properly?)

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Mark

02-02-2004 10:02:24




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 Re: H Oil Pressure in reply to BB, 01-31-2004 19:01:33  
I bought a tractor one time and the guy said that it didn't have any oil pressure because the gauge was broken.

What was broken was the rear main seal....was gone.....$1000 and an engine overhaul later pressure was great. Glad I only paid salvage bucks for the machine.

Loosing oil pressure on any engine in my book is one or both of 2 things. The engine dimensions grow with temp or the oil breaks down (huge viscosity change) and squirts out of the passages because it thins down and as a result you can't hold pressure.

I agree that high flow and low pressure is an ok combination, but I like to see oil pressure. It insures me that there is slickum between the mechanical parts and they won't wear.

If you are using fresh 30W single grade or fresh Truck oil 15W-40 (not 10-40) your problem is probably due to engine wear (including the pump described). But if you are using automotive type 10-30, you'd be surprised what a heavy duty oil will do for you when you work your tractor for an hour or so and cut the throttle back to idle and look at how much oil pressure you have. Even in a gas tractor, you need the heavy duty oil that will retain it's viscosity with temp. Shell Rotella T, Chevron Delo or Mobil (xxx) forgot the name but it's in a black container and says Million Mile Oil. Walmart sells it.
Been there, done that.

Mark

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Al in Mn

02-01-2004 16:23:28




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 Re: H Oil Pressure in reply to BB, 01-31-2004 19:01:33  
I had an M with that problem years ago, even fixed the oil pump and found out that allI needed was a new oil gauge.



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riverrat

02-01-2004 15:03:34




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 Re: H Oil Pressure in reply to BB, 01-31-2004 19:01:33  
I wouldn't worry too much about it. The pressure that shows on the gauge is just what's left over after going all the way through the engine. As soon as it reaches 0 I would worry.



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Bruce Wa.

02-01-2004 14:28:00




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 Re: H Oil Pressure in reply to BB, 01-31-2004 19:01:33  
My H had near zero preesure at idle when hot for years. Put in new mains and .002 undersize rod bearings several years back now it's at the top of the red zone when hot at idle now and runs great. starts on the 2nd crank at 20 degrees after sitting for a month with the original 6v system.



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Irv

02-01-2004 13:51:22




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 Re: H Oil Pressure in reply to BB, 01-31-2004 19:01:33  
I rebuilt the oil pump in my H several years ago. The gears are hardened, so the will wear less than the pump body, which is cast iron. These geared pumps will always push the gears to the top of the pump - into the cover. If you take the cover off you will see the marks the gear makes. To rebuild it - take the cover off. See if there are any shims under the cover. The headspacing in the pump is important. Usually there is one paper shim here. Take the cover to a machine shop - have the inner surface ground flat - Then reassemble - if the gears are tight - put a shim in - the thinner the better. An .001 increase in headspace can cause a signifigant loss in pressure. You can see some difference when the oil gets hot, but this fix has worked on mine for years. Irv

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rustyfarmall

02-01-2004 04:56:39




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 Re: H Oil Pressure in reply to BB, 01-31-2004 19:01:33  
I have an H that does the same thing. I am using a straight 30 weight motor oil, and the oil is fresh, so I know that is not the problem. I have been told that I need to to check out the relief valve in the oil pump. I also know that worn main, rod, and cam bearings will produce the same effect, but the engine on mine runs very good and sounds like a good tight engine, so I am leaning towards the relief valve.

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Wayne Swenson

01-31-2004 20:46:07




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 Re: H Oil Pressure in reply to BB, 01-31-2004 19:01:33  
What weight oil are you using?
The only way I know to check engine oil pressure accurately is to find a mechanic that you can borrow a "master oil pressure" gauge from and temporarily replace the tractor's gauge with the test gauge.
You do not need a huge amount of pressure to lube the engine; flow volume is more critical.
If the rocker arms are getting enough oil when the engine is hot & idling then I would not be too worried.

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