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Chad

01-23-2004 12:11:16




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I would like to put a very high quality paint job on a 1951 H. However, I'm new to painting and, probably just as important, I'm new to surface preparation prior to paint. Anyhow, I was wondering if the experts here would please give some advice on the proper method for surface preparation and painting on a tractor. One of the bigger questions in my mind is the sandblasting of the tin and the castings. The tractor runs pretty well so I would rather not take it apart. However, I can just imagine a sandblaster could really do some damage to these components by putting sand in places that it shouldn't be. Is there a good way to mask off vital areas such as gaskets, seals, bearings, etc? Furthermore, the tin has some rust pits. I was thinking that the only way to smooth that out would be to sandblast and surface grind the tin and then hit it with a couple layers of primer. Is this correct?

Finally, on the paint side of things, would the best finish come from IH paint and then an added hardener? Would anyone have any tips and techniques for applying the paint?

Sorry for being long winded. I appreciate all input and responses.

Thanks,
Chad

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Red Tom

01-24-2004 15:47:50




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 Re: Painting questions in reply to Chad, 01-23-2004 12:11:16  
I've done several now. Only one with the IH paint and that was because it was mostly to use, not show. I have great luck with Dupont Centari with hardener. I blast everything if I don't take it apart I goo the cracks with RTV. If you blast the tin it can stretch and grow/warp, go easy. as for pits I use a bunch of layers of laquer primer. I ususally can get by without sand/fill primer which is quite expensive. I know a guy who has all his trctors done with IH paint and they are like glass I don't know how and he won't tell. The Centari is quite forgiving. I think it sprays easier than the IH paint. If you want a close to clearcoat look you can use what they call a "performance pack" hardener.

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David in UT

01-24-2004 09:55:52




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 Re: Painting questions in reply to Chad, 01-23-2004 12:11:16  
Chad,

I did my first real paint job last year, and I used the PPG paint...an acrylic urethane color coat over their epoxy primer. I found the paint to be pretty tolerant of someone who didn't really know what there were doing (me!). I think the biggest lesson I learned was to follow the primer with color coat in less than 72 hours. With the PPG paint, that will create a chemical bond between the two layers. Past 72 hours, you need to give the primer coat a sanding to rough it up.

I did the sheet metal off the tractor and used a sanding primer in addition to the epoxy coat.

I did a lot of reading before I jumped in. Spent a small fortune at my Barnes & Noble store ;-). I agree with the other posts on searching this site for articles. There's great stuff here. I'm also lucky to have a neighbor who is an expert body work and paint guy, and he was a great help. Good luck!

Feel free to email me with questions -- I'm definitely not an expert, but I'll be happy to tell you what I did in more detail if it's helpful.

- David

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CNKS

01-23-2004 14:24:11




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 Re: Painting questions in reply to Chad, 01-23-2004 12:11:16  
Read all the listed pages on the painting forum, then check the archives. I agree with the comments about the PPG Omni system, if you want a first class job, go that route. Acrylic enamel and acrylic urethane are superior to the Case-IH, old technology, synthetic enamel. Pay particular attention to the comments on supplied air systems if you use hardener.



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rustyfarmall

01-23-2004 13:31:46




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 Re: Painting questions in reply to Chad, 01-23-2004 12:11:16  
Do not use the sandblaster unless you remove the individual pieces and sandblast them away from everything else, that sand goes everywhere and will get into everything. Do all of your blasting either outside or in a separate building. As far as what paint to use? The Case-IH 2150 is a very good, high quality product. It will not fade or turn colors even after several years. If you have really deep pockets you can go with the PPG, but the end product will not be any better.

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Dave_Id

01-23-2004 13:16:05




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 Re: Painting questions in reply to Chad, 01-23-2004 12:11:16  
First off, you can use the painting forum, and get into the archives on this site and spend the next week on the computer reading all the posts. Many guys have had good luck using a hardener with IH paint. This is probably the cheapest way to go... If you want to use a good 2-stage system, I'd recommend the Omni system from PPG... Fairly reasonable urathane paint. I have painted 3 tractors, one using IH, and two using the two stage PPG.. I wouldn't use IH paint again. I figure if you spend all that time prepping the project, why would you use substandard paint that will oxidize and fade in a couple of years when you can use urathane paint and clear coat system?

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