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Bud

01-23-2004 06:12:23




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Does anyone know how many SA Industrials were produced ( 10% of total SA production?? ). Are they worth more than a standard SA? Thanks




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Scott

01-26-2004 09:55:44




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 Re: Super A Industrial in reply to Bud, 01-23-2004 06:12:23  
I just recieved confirmation information from Ken Updike. It appears that the 838 tractor Guy mentioned were regular A's. There were a total of 5119 International Super A's (Industrials). This excludes 58 Super A-1 Industrials, and covers 1947 thru 1953 production. All of these tractors were produced in the Louisville KY plant.
This equates to <5% of Super A's were Industrials, or 1 in every 21 tractors.
Rare? Collectible? You decide, I know I've never seen another one around my parts.

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Bud

01-26-2004 12:36:49




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 Re: Re: Super A Industrial in reply to Scott, 01-26-2004 09:55:44  
Scott
Do you by chance know how many SAV's were produced?
Thanks
Bud



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Scott

01-23-2004 09:47:26




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 Re: Super A Industrial in reply to Bud, 01-23-2004 06:12:23  
Can anyone answer the man's question? I've been seeking the same information, and all anyone replys with is their opinion about the front axle and broken rears.
There must have been "hot spots" where these ended up, as some folks say they have, or know of, several. There are other areas (like mine) where they are very UNCOMMON.
Guy Fay published 838 tractors, but then followed up, indicating that applied to only a portion of Super A years.
Can anyone add anything to help clarify the mystery?

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CNKS

01-23-2004 14:33:56




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 Re: Re: Super A Industrial in reply to Scott, 01-23-2004 09:47:26  
Ken Updike's data book says 5119. Plus 58 Super A-1's.



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Scott

01-23-2004 18:21:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Super A Industrial in reply to CNKS, 01-23-2004 14:33:56  
Thank you for the Ken Updike information. Can you please tell me which of his books that comes from?
Still, 5119 from 107000+ is less than 5%, or 1 in every 21 tractors. WHile some wouldn't consider this "rare", it certainly could be considered "collectble", as I know there aren't 21 more Super A's near me, that would allow me to see another SA Industrial! (just some perspective)



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CNKS

01-23-2004 19:10:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Super A Industrial in reply to Scott, 01-23-2004 18:21:29  
He has a pocket size book that he sells direct, I saw it advertised in Red Power Magazine -- $10-$12 or so I think. Similar to Guy Fay's data book, but no pictures and not as much detail -- but, in contrast to Guy's, virtually all tractors from 1939 to 1985 are listed. So you can find production numbers, HP, where built, and serial numbers by year, etc. You might contact him directly at Carter and Gruenwald, or maybe he will respond to this thread.

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Reido in MO

01-23-2004 10:59:50




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 Re: Re: Super A Industrial in reply to Scott, 01-23-2004 09:47:26  
They are uncommon in my neck of the woods too. See lots of A's, some supers, could count on one hand the Industrials I've seen. Fom a collectors perspective I wouldn't trade mine for 2 straight A's. JMHO



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Hugh MacKay

01-23-2004 10:09:06




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 Re: Re: Super A Industrial in reply to Scott, 01-23-2004 09:47:26  
No, because if Guy Fay doesn't know, no one does. I can tell you they were quite common in the Maritime Provinces of Canada.



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42FarmallH

01-23-2004 08:56:18




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 Re: Super A Industrial in reply to Bud, 01-23-2004 06:12:23  
My A has had the cast iron gear box broken and welded once already, along with one of the legs bent badly.

Reinforcements would be nice...



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Hugh MacKay

01-23-2004 06:35:09




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 Re: Super A Industrial in reply to Bud, 01-23-2004 06:12:23  
Bud: There are enough of them they are not rare at all, just ugly with that square axle and the brace to flywheel housing. Why IH thought it needed that axle is more than I can determine. We worked a Farmall 130 very very hard and a lot of it in the bush. Never did break a front end, but did break two final drives over the years. I currently have three of these tractors, and can tell you I have more concerns strength of torque tube than front end.

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Paul in Mich

01-23-2004 12:29:01




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 Re: Re: Super A Industrial in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-23-2004 06:35:09  
Hugh, While I too think that the square axle is ugly, I believe I understand the reason they used them on the industrials. As more than one person has explained to me is that the A-I's were marketed to city, county, and state govt agencies for a lot of different applications as well as to airport facilities for snow removal in places that the big trucks couldnt get to. But back to Govt use. So many of the A-I's were equiped with sickle bar mowers used to mow along roads and hughways.and ditchbanks. These banks and roadways had obsticles that could be extreemly hard on the front end such as washouts, critter holes, rocks, just to name a few. The square axle had the whole outer shell to absorb the shock rather than the pins on the round tubes on the straight A's. Thats not to say that the spiindles cant be bent or broken, but the constant abuse didnt waller out the pin holes as on the round axles. my question always was why did IH deem it necessary to manufacture both types? My 1940 A has about a 10 degree back rake on the spindles from 64 years of use. Having said all this, I still think the square tubes are ugly, but someone else may think them quite cute.....

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SAm in NS

01-23-2004 07:43:59




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 Re: Re: Super A Industrial in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-23-2004 06:35:09  
I don't know about those front ends, they must have changed something between the SA and the 130. On my Super A (which was used almost exclusively in the woods) both of the upright sections (at the ends of the axle) that I don't know the name of have been broken off before and goobered back on with weld which is why my front wheels (especially on one side) are at nothing like the right place. SAm in NS

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Reido in MO

01-23-2004 08:42:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Super A Industrial in reply to SAm in NS, 01-23-2004 07:43:59  
My Super A Industrial, With the heavy, ugly, square axle, has also been broken and repaired.



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Bud

01-23-2004 07:35:08




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 Re: Re: Super A Industrial in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-23-2004 06:35:09  
Hugh
Thanks for your perspective. I'm looking for a SA or SAV and every one I find in decent condition seems to be 800-1000 miles away ( from Dallas ). I found a SAI about 250 miles from here but its in sad condition. I was trying to determine if it would be worth the cost to repair/restore. Bud



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