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Farmall Super A and 16A Mower

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Mike@NY

01-12-2004 06:50:48




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Hello again. I just recently finished getting my 1949 Super A going again, and have a question on it. I have a Model 16A rear mount Sickle Bar Mower that I picked up (from another tractor I got) and would now like to put it on the Super A. I know it is made for the "A". My Super A has the bolts (Studs) already in the mounting holes on the back, were the "A" does not. Can I Mount the 16A mower on my Super A easily (as in little or no modification, I know the actual installation is anything but easy) or had I better look to get another "A" (which I would do, as I like these tractors, but can't really do yet). Thanks in advance for your help.

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Mike@NY

01-12-2004 13:00:36




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 Re: Farmall Super A and 16A Mower in reply to Mike@NY, 01-12-2004 06:50:48  
Thank you all for your responses. The 16A I got is from my father's '42 A, and we are fourtunate enough to have the manuals for it (thank you for offering though scotty). He has had it for 20 years, never used it (came with the tractor when he got it). It is a hand lift model, don't know exactly how it works. Right now it is outside, have to wait for spring for the snow to melt, then I want to bring it into the garage and go through it. I would like to put it on the Super A, as I have that tractor available. My '44 A is set up for cultivating. Sounds like it can be done, but working around the studs will be a trick. I need to get the mower on and off, as I plan to use the Super for more than mowing. I can use the Super A for short term, but another "A" in the future might be a good idea. It will be a good reason to get another tractor. Thank you all for your input, it will help me in deciding what I want to do.

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SAm in NS

01-12-2004 11:02:57




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 Re: Farmall Super A and 16A Mower in reply to Mike@NY, 01-12-2004 06:50:48  
I have a 53 Super A with studs and nuts in the final drives. I also have an International sickle bar mower that was supplied new with the tractor (so far as I know). I'm not sure what model it is but it is rear mount with a hydraulic lift and six foot bar. I don't have to remove any of the studs to install it (although it is a royal pain to mount and even with two people it takes almost two hours to install). If it might help I may be able to post some pics of it (off the tractor). Let me know. Hope this helps, SAm in NS

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Hugh MacKay

01-12-2004 13:10:42




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 Re: Re: Farmall Super A and 16A Mower in reply to SAm in NS, 01-12-2004 11:02:57  
Sam: I think Jim is correct. First your mower has to be a 16A, it is the only fully mounted mower ever made for the A or SA. I know my neighbor could be mowing, and while I was never there when he changed from mower to the drawbar, he could be out raking hay in a half hour with the mower removed. So there has to be a system and it does work, you may have some pieces missing. My neighbor could change from drawbar to mower almost as quick.

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Jimmy King

01-12-2004 11:27:16




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 Re: Re: Farmall Super A and 16A Mower in reply to SAm in NS, 01-12-2004 11:02:57  
I would suspect you have a part missing from your mower. It should have a rod across the mounting brackets with a curved open end slot on each end and a place to hook a long open end wrench (suppose to use what we always called the plow wrench which came with the tractor) you back up to the mower ready to mount using the wrench pull up and slots move over the top studs and pull the mower right on, with a ratchet and socket should be able to remove draw bar and mount mower in 20 min.

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SAm in NS

01-12-2004 11:43:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Farmall Super A and 16A Mower in reply to Jimmy King, 01-12-2004 11:27:16  
I do have that piece but it has its own drawbacks. The number one being that you can only use it to pull the mower up an inch or two and if you try too hard it pops out on one side or the other. Also the way the grip is welded on, anything with sufficient leverage can't be turned far without hitting the tractor or the mower. Not to mention insufficient practice and storing the mower in a less than ideal location. Thanks, SAm in NS

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Jimmy King

01-12-2004 13:07:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall Super A and 16A Mower in reply to SAm in NS, 01-12-2004 11:43:21  
Sam some thing on yours must be bent or worn, are the ends of the rod in good shape where it fits into the brackets or or the holes on the bracket not worn. Where you hook the wrench on ours was a flat piece of steel about 1 inch wide bent into a horseshoe and welded to the rod. When the the wrench was put over the rod it should be pointing back and downward toward the pitmanthe edge of the wrench should move again the horseshoe quickly and be about 12:00 when the mower falls into place. Also ck the slots for smoothness and wear. I was mounting the mower by my self at 13 or 14 years old. Been a while I'm 62 now

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scotty

01-12-2004 09:34:23




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 Re: Farmall Super A and 16A Mower in reply to Mike@NY, 01-12-2004 06:50:48  
Mike, Hugh, pretty well said it all here. The only thing I could add is that those studs could be troublesome to remove. I rebuilt a 16A mower a couple of years ago, it is a nice little mower. I mow about 10 acres with it and it did a nice job. I used it on my 42 A, its a little light in the front end on steep hills so you might think about front weights. I also have a 49 Super A and I am familiar with those studs. I have the manual for that mower and would be happy to share any of that info with you.

scotty

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Hugh MacKay again

01-12-2004 08:22:49




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 Re: Farmall Super A and 16A Mower in reply to Mike@NY, 01-12-2004 06:50:48  
Mike: Another item you should check. I would be willing to bet the mowers built after the Super A came out with the new type nut and stud for mounting drawbar with open sided hole, the mowers are probably the same way.

That lift mechanism for hydraulics was also used on the semi mount mowers like 25V, 27, etc. Super C and 200 even used it on the C-28 fast hitch mower. I think the lifting mechanism was same on all those mowers for C, SC, SA, 100 and 200. Those older semi mounts all had the same hand lever lift as the 16 A or C

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Hugh MacKay

01-12-2004 08:02:46




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 Re: Farmall Super A and 16A Mower in reply to Mike@NY, 01-12-2004 06:50:48  
Mike: It's been awhile since I've been around a 16A mower. I'm guessing the mounting holes in the 16A are not tapered for the nut and stud combination as on your Super A, plus you have to remove them anyhow to slide the mower in place. Those nut and stud combination can be a bit troublesome to remove. I find the best way is put two nuts on one stud and lock them together, flat side to flat side. Once you remove those the mower should bolt right up same as on the A. You can also modify the mower bar lift for raising with your touch control. On the left side can run a 1/2" rod from lift shaft for mower bar between wheel and fender to the touch control rockshaft. A neighbor of mine had one of those mowers on a Super A for years 7' bar. The mower did not have hand levers for a lift. If you get hold of one of the later parts books, would probably show the changes. I just looked in 150 Years of IH and that mower was built from 1940 to 1953. I would be willing to bet most of the new ones after 1947 were for hydraulic lift. Does the shaft your hand lift moves, go right across to left side?

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