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proper way to weight a tricycle Farmall

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Wayne M Kittler

01-04-2004 16:13:28




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If I were to weight a Farmall H or M or C Farmall for general purpose such as spreading manure on New England hills, baling, disking and so forth- where and how would I weight it with iron weights.
Would I weight the side uphill and not the side downhill, considering a clockwise rotation for most jobs ? Is weighting the back more important than the front ? Are the farmalls balanced enough so that weights will just waste gas? This may sound silly, but I am earnest in asking.

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Bill Smith

01-05-2004 10:58:17




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 Re: proper way to weight a tricycle Farmall in reply to Wayne M Kittler, 01-04-2004 16:13:28  
I agree with what has been said. Adding weight for stability and traction is what adding the weight is all about. Of coarse if you add a super amount of weight it is going to cut your power down, thus wasting gas. This would happen if you have added weight beyond the point of helping traction. If you are adding weight to enable you to go hill climbing, I think you got the wrong idea. If you are adding weight to assist you in what you are already doing, then you got the right adea. I would not advise adding weight to only one side of tractor. That would in itself, make the tractor off balanced wich is what you want to avoid. Adding weight to front is only nescisary for carrying a work load on the rear of tractor, or for heavy pulling. If you can get by with minimal weight, I would advise bolt on rear wheel weights (fluid loaded rear wheel's ussually become leaky and corrosive to rims). If you are adding more than 2 to 3 wheel weights per wheel, you are probably better advised to use the fluid in the tires (you can acquire much more weight by using the fluid). In fact, you might not have to even use the wheel weights if you go with the fluid. Remember that wheel weights are centered on axel (not lowering center of gravity) and fluid will slightly lower center of gravity if properly filled to roughly 1 inch below top of rim when rear wheel is completely inflated. Adding weight evenly to both sides of tractor will aid in stability, but to gain even more stability set your front and rear wheel's in the widest position. Remember that having the rear wheel's slid out to the end of axel increases the strain on the axel created by the weight and torque of the tractor itself.

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Hugh MacKay

01-04-2004 18:00:47




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 Re: proper way to weight a tricycle Farmall in reply to Wayne M Kittler, 01-04-2004 16:13:28  
Wayne: Don and CNKS are quite right, I can only add, lowering the center of graviety is what side hill farming is all about. Three ways to do this; calcium chloride in tires, that weight is the very closest you can get it to the ground, next is wheel weights and third is wheel tread, wider the better within reason. When I say within reason most guys don't want a tractor 10' wide.



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Tommy H

01-04-2004 19:46:19




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 Re: Re: proper way to weight a tricycle Farmall in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-04-2004 18:00:47  
Im just wondering, if you fill the tires with fluid, I mean fill them...maybe 75%? Then its the equivelent of only filling the tire 25%?

Say the center of gravity is hieght of the axel, youll want all your weight below the axel, so filling the tires only half full would be optimum?

Im confused, I need to stop thinking...



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Bill Smith

01-05-2004 10:15:51




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 Re: Re: Re: proper way to weight a tricycle Farmal in reply to Tommy H, 01-04-2004 19:46:19  
Hugh Mackay is right. Forget the 25% or 75% idea on filling the tires with fluid. If you put fluid in the rear wheels, fill the tire up with fluid so that the fluid level is roughly 1 inch lower than the top of rim when tire is completely inflated. I wouldn't advise doing it any other way. If more fluid than that, the air will circulate with the rotation of wheel at higher speeds. If less than that, the fluid itself will begin to travel with the wheel being flung over the rim (kind of like centripical force in the water in a bucket experiement). Filling to the level I have suggested will keep the fluid and air seperated and will keep the air at the top of tire at any speed.

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Hugh MacKay

01-04-2004 20:42:40




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 Re: Re: Re: proper way to weight a tricycle Farmal in reply to Tommy H, 01-04-2004 19:46:19  
Tommy: The axle will not necessarily be the center of gravity. Every model of tractor will be different depending on design, particularily in castings. One other item that has been tested over the years is the optimum level of fluid in tires. The industry has concluded on many ocasions that filling so fluid is just level with top of rim,when rim and tire are upright is optimum. I don't know the scientific criteria used to determine this. However over my years of farming I know a half full tire on a tractor is very rough at some speeds. My understanding of this is, too little and liquid will follow the tire rather than the air staying on top. If your tire is too full you will have no air cushion. I remember driving a Farmall 300 home on black top from a rear tire repair to get back to the hayfield. Repairman did not have enough chloride to bring it up to proper level. I remember suggesting to the repairman, tire must have a bulge in it the way the old 300 was rocking from side to side on ashphalt. A week later we topped the chloride up and it smoothed tractor right out on ashphalt.

I think this is a situation of trade off of ideal conditions and situations. It was very common in 40's, 50's and 60's to see new narrow front tractors on dealers lots with chloride level with top side of rim plus one set of wheel weights. Dealers would equip them that way. If a customer wanted more traction extra wheel weights were added, but adding from that point I expect was for traction only.

Another item the industry has tried to achive with all of this is optimum traction. This one becomes very important today in particular with 4 wheel drive tractors. You will see them adding weight front or rear to balance load and traction on both axles. If this one is far off it will burn up differentials in a hurry. I noticed a large articulated tractor just lately, duals all around. There must have been 6 sets of wheel weights on rear axle and none on front. No question this was being done to balance traction, with engine up front.

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CNKS

01-04-2004 17:27:25




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 Re: proper way to weight a tricycle Farmall in reply to Wayne M Kittler, 01-04-2004 16:13:28  
Put equal weights on both sides, and/or ballast in the tires. Front weights won't help with traction, and are used only to keep the front wheels on the ground. If you pull from the swinging part of the drawbar, and don't carry heavy objects on the rear that don't touch the ground, you don't need front weights. If you use a mounted sprayer, you might.



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Don LC

01-04-2004 16:58:53




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 Re: proper way to weight a tricycle Farmall in reply to Wayne M Kittler, 01-04-2004 16:13:28  
We use water in the rear tires and one set of rear wheel weights...it seams to work for us...



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