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Brooks McCormic

01-01-2004 19:21:35




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Looking for either, does anybody have one for sale that has a reasonable price?




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RED POWER

03-24-2004 13:36:57




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 Re: 300 or 350 Diesel in reply to Brooks McCormick, 01-01-2004 19:21:35  
Hey Brooks. I am too young to remember when IH was still around, but grew up with only red equipment, and am totally obsessed. I have read several books on the company and their equipment, and was wondering if you think IH could have made it through the 80's economy had the strike not occurred. Thanks for the help.
P.S. Maybe we should get together, commandeer Navistar, then buy CNH and McCormick, put some McCormicks on the board of directors, and we'll resurrect IHC!!! Sounds like a plan to me.

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CNKS

01-01-2004 20:01:24




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 Re: 300 or 350 Diesel in reply to Brooks McCormick, 01-01-2004 19:21:35  
If you hadn't turned the day to day operation over to that McCardell guy, IH would still be in business!!



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Brooks McCormick

01-02-2004 16:11:24




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 Re: Re: 300 or 350 Diesel in reply to CNKS, 01-01-2004 20:01:24  
Wrong, we were behind the eight ball when the 460-560- series came out. The 06 series(806, etc.) almost got us back, with the combo of the 460,560 and the intro of JD 4010, 4020 we lost alot of ground we could not make up. Also, ran 622 cotton picker too long, 86 series had out of date tranny and was a 6-row tractor at best, I hate to admit it but deere outsmarted us starting in the late 50's.

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Hugh MacKay

01-03-2004 20:51:41




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 Re: Re: Re: 300 or 350 Diesel in reply to Brooks McCormick, 01-02-2004 16:11:24  
Brooks: While I can see your point on some of what you said in this and post below. I can not however agree with you on the 86 series transmissions. There are a lot of people out there who would still buy 06, 56, 66 and 86 technology new if it were available. The biggest critics of these tractors back in the 70s were guys that did little more than take one for a drive at a dealers yard.

What few people realized with IH technology in engine torque, two speed power shift was all that was required. I put a lot of hours on Farmalls 300, 560D, 656D and 1066D. Sure I agree 1066 was a miserable transmission to shift. Many, many of those hours of use the 1066 was in the same range on 4 speed all day. All that tractor required was forward, reverse and TA. The tractors being built today, all makes need the 3 and 4 speed power shift, that is the price you pay for engines with less torque.

No my friend, all your company did was allow the very best draft tractor known to man, to be destroyed by salesmen trying to flog it as a loader tractor, a hauling to barn on highway tractor, etc. Those tractors were and still are king of the field work.

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CNKS

01-02-2004 18:47:14




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 Re: Re: Re: 300 or 350 Diesel in reply to Brooks McCormick, 01-02-2004 16:11:24  
Basically IH died because of mismanagement, the 560 was a factor, but you had a lot of chances to get out from under, McCardell wasn't one of them, and his second in command (forgot his name), was the cause of many problems between labor and management. Labor problems probably had more effect than the 560, TD 24, and the other products you mentioned. Got overconfident and slow to change when you were #1, when Deere became #1 it was over, although you still managed to hang on for 18 years or so.

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The Dukester

01-02-2004 19:28:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 300 or 350 Diesel in reply to CNKS, 01-02-2004 18:47:14  
You must be thinking of Warren Hayford....he was Archie's chief bean counter. Between Archie's casual management style and Warren's facsination with the working hours in a year, IH's financial problems multiplied by the square in the '80's. After about 1954 things had started to slide badly and really picked up momentum with the big strike in '79. John McCaffrey started screwing things up when he replaced Fowler McCormick in the early '50's. It is a sad, sad, story really.

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CNKS

01-02-2004 18:55:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 300 or 350 Diesel in reply to CNKS, 01-02-2004 18:47:14  
Math is wrong. The "long slide down" started in 1957 (when JD became #1) and ended in late 1984 or early 1985 with the sale to Tenneco--28 years of trying to play catch-up.



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Brooks McCormick

01-02-2004 19:42:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 300 or 350 Diesel in reply to CNKS, 01-02-2004 18:55:29  
Whatever the reason, I am still looking for a 300 or 350 diesel. 460-560, damn 2 pt hitch(did not work in the south), we needed the 3 pt., upper management would not listen. IH must have had the best salesman in the world because we were lucky to sell anything after 1960.

1. Had the cotton picker business sewed up, got lazy, JD caught up, passed us, we have a great picker now but the damage is done.
2.Tractors- 460-560, nuff said, in between we had some great tractors. Ended with the 2+2(what were they thinking).
3.Combines-15 series were good in there day, thank goodness for the axel-flow.
4. Planters- look above at cotton pickers.

This is my belief from sombody who grew up with red and will always drive red. I have seen what happened with my own two eyes to IH and my family who were involved with them until the merger.

God Bless

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Larry806

01-01-2004 19:30:52




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 Re: 300 or 350 Diesel in reply to Brooks McCormick, 01-01-2004 19:21:35  
There are the 3 most important things in buying & selling LOCATION, location and location



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