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grinding valve seats on a cub?

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shannon

12-24-2003 12:24:14




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have bad valve seats on a cub. and i was just wondering how to refurbish them. i was going to get some valve grinding compound and try to lap them a little but i dont know if tahts going to work as i dont know if ill be able to get a good grip on the valves to do taht. and do you have to take out the cam to get the valves out on a cub? right now i just have the head off and trying to figure out the best way to get the job done without taking it all apart. this is the first time working on a cub and the i+t shop manual was very helpful, as according to them the only thing you need to know about valves and seats on a cub is that there 45 deg 3/64 wide and they must be in the block permanetly cause theres no removal instructions or pictures. thanks

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jdemaris

12-24-2003 18:18:18




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 Re: grinding valve seats on a cub? in reply to shannon, 12-24-2003 12:24:14  
Valves come out just by removing the keepers from the side of the engine, no big deal. Seems it would behoove you to regrind the seats wherever you've got the tractor. Seems silly to have to remove the engine and bring it to a machine shop for a simple valve-grinding job. I can usually do a little flat-head 4 cylinder, start to finish, in a few hours. That includes removing the valves, grinding the seats, refacing the valves, do a finish seat narrowing, and then reassemble and adjust. It's very unlikely that valve-grinding compound is going to do anything for you (i.e. lapping). The valves are so small in that engine, the seats can be cut with a little carbide seat cutter kit that's usually used in small lawn mower engines. It's made and sold by Nu-Way. Seems you ought to be able to find someone with the kit. I have a couple of valve refacing machines in my shop, along with a Sioux valve seat grinding set, and also the little Nu-Way carbide cutter set. With an engine like yours, the little cutters do a real nice job. If you had the valves out, with the seats ready to be cut, it would be a 15 minute job of somebody. Only caveat is, if any of your seats got severely burnt or rusted beyond repair. Then, I guess you would have to remove the engine, have it cut for new steel seat inserts. That's unlikely, though.

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Merlin

12-24-2003 13:09:59




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 Re: grinding valve seats on a cub? in reply to shannon, 12-24-2003 12:24:14  
Shannon, the first thing to do is remove the valve cover on the side of the engine. You need a valve spring compressor to romove the clips holding the valves in place. I have done it with a large screwdriver quite a few times, but it is easier with a compressor. I drill 8 holes in a board to put my valves in to be assured I get the same valves in the same hole. You can get a valve grinding stick with a suction cup on the end to lap the valves in, ot take the whole block to a machine shop and let them machine them for you. The machine shop I use charges 8 dollars a hole, and 18 dollars a hole to replace the seat. If a valve needs replacing, they run between 8 & 12 dollars each. You don't have to take anytrhing out of the block. But you have to make sure it is clean before putting it back together.

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