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More power yes,no?

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Jason B.

12-05-2003 15:52:01




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Ive herd that if you take off the sediment bowl on my 460 diesel it adds power?. Its doesent make sense to me but ya never know. Also Does anyone know how to convert the airbox to a dry airfilter unit or has anyone made one? Im am hopefully going to pull her this upcomming season with easturn michigan and easturn upper u.p. With the injectors rebuilt and the pump with a larger head in it plus complete valve job with .30 over sized valves and a port polish job it sounds like a raped ape. for being 16 i feel that i have accomplished alot for my age and plan to go into the carrer of diesel mechanics I am looking for a good school or a good place to start my carrer off out of high school. If anyone has some info on a good school or shop or whatever In easturn michigan I would greatly appreciate it. Tanks again!.

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Aces

12-06-2003 10:04:53




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 Re: More power yes,no? in reply to Jason B., 12-05-2003 15:52:01  
I agree with going to school whish I would have.
Some day the farmer will just set in his pickup just to make sure his driverless tractor turns around at the end of the field. Dirt moving equipment could be run now without driver, the computer will plan how much dirt to move from a sight what RPM the engine will, name it the computer will answer it. The tech knowlage it here now. I will disagree about paper filter over oil air filter. The reason paper filters fail is because the operator, put in new filter right and forget it till the gauge says change or you see lose of power.

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Larry B.

12-06-2003 06:29:01




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 Re: More power yes,no? in reply to Jason B., 12-05-2003 15:52:01  
I had a 560 diesel and took a aircleaner off a 706 (or a 656 same thing) that mounted to the front of the motor and ran the breather pipe up throu the hood with a precleaner on it. I ran a turbo on it. I also took off the sediment bowl off and the canster fuel filters and got a shut off valve and a spin on fuel filter base off a 856 and changed my 560 over to spin on fuel filters. Had to make a different mounting plate on the fuel filters. Not hard to do.

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CNKS

12-05-2003 19:43:10




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 Re: More power yes,no? in reply to Jason B., 12-05-2003 15:52:01  
Many Community Colleges and tech schools (also known as 2-year Junior Colleges) have programs sponsored by the various tractor manufacturers. Many of these schools can place you with a manufacturer or dealer that sponsored the course. You may get a job with a local dealer while you are taking the coursework. If you intend to work on the newer tractors with their sophisticated hydraulics and computer systems, an education like this is essential. Do NOT give up your education and go to work for a lesser shop -- with the proper training you will start out at a higher pay level and advance faster.

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Red Boy

12-05-2003 18:35:49




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 Re: More power yes,no? in reply to Jason B., 12-05-2003 15:52:01  
Last year in school I built a 560 diesel for pulling and now this year for my senior project I am in the process of completely rebuling a case 1370 with the 504 turbo. On my 560 witch would be the same a a 460 diesel I found that you dont need all horsepower but unhook you throttle link at the fuel pump. Then you take the spring loose from eachother and then hook you linkage to the shorter of the two levers witch is the govoner then you will be running around 3300 to 3500 rpms. You may have to grind down the throttle rod or just drill the hole bigger to get it to hook up.Do this and i dont think youll need to turn it up any. My 560 is very competitive and I am still using the stock parts.

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colekicker

12-05-2003 18:14:46




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 Re: More power yes,no? in reply to Jason B., 12-05-2003 15:52:01  
I am sure that these guys have great advice. My dad is a self employed mechanic and urged me to use all of my knowledge and go to school. Although I love to turn wrenches, I know that I will not be able to do it forever. I am getting a degree from Texas A&M University in Ag Science. I can start teaching high school ag at 35k. Now, I will invest some money, but I will have a degree to fall back on if I was to get injured. I may be young, but get you a back up plan. A college degree is worth the time and money you put in.

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Nebraska Cowman

12-05-2003 16:18:45




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 Re: More power yes,no? in reply to Jason B., 12-05-2003 15:52:01  
People will tell you anything. All's I know is what I've been told and what I've figured out for myself and the 2 don't always agree. I'd ditch school and go to work for an old wise mechanic that has made a good living with his own shop. He will warm your ears some and you will want to quit but stick it out kid. You will learn bunches and become independant yourself. Don't that sound a lot better than working by the hour for someone else the rest of your life?

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dan

12-05-2003 16:39:28




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 Re: Re: More power yes,no? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 12-05-2003 16:18:45  
I totaly 100% agree with the last poster on this. I have been a mechanic all my life starting with 15 years in the military on every thing from little 1 cylinder gas engines to steam piston and turbine engines to a deisel engine with pistons big enough to have a party on the top of. I went to a short school in the navy for the steam engines but learned all the rest of it at the school of hard knocks and from the wise old mechanics that I sometimes worked for. All you will learn in mechanic school nowdays is how to be a know it all that nobody will want to work around and plus it will cost you a fortune when you could be out spending that money on tools and building a career. Now to your question. I don't think any power increase you get from getting rid of the bowl will be enough to make a difference but I do get rid of them because I can't stand cleaning them. I put a ball valve with a handle on it in it's place and a regular in line filter on. It works better but I don't know about more powerful. As far as the air filter if that is all you are gonna use it for is pulling then Just take it off an put a K&N on it but if you are gonna use it for real work at all keep the oil bath. There isn't a more efficient air filter made today. I have the oil bath and a K&N on top just as a precleaner to keep the dust from plugging my oil bath so fast. Some people think it's a waste of time but it works for me.

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Mark

12-05-2003 22:15:16




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 Re: Re: Re: More power yes,no? in reply to dan, 12-05-2003 16:39:28  
I can't say I agree with not going to school. An old wise mechanic may know lots about your 460, but he won't teach you anything about the complex computer control systems being used in heavy equipment today. Do you know there are working earth moving machines today with no wiring harnesses? They use computer managment systems and radio transmitters which broadcast to recievers on each component. This is just the tip of the iceberg as to what is out there. Look at a 94 to present ford pickup with a 7.3 powerstroke, there is no fuel injection pump, there is a computer controled hydraulic pump which uses high pressure engine oil to ram a piston that injects the diesel fuel. How is a backyard trained mechanic with some snap on tools going to even know where to start to fix these things? These days a laptop computer is an important as an open end wrench. Mechanics is not just crowbars and sledgehammers anymore. Granted you could get by working on the old stuff for probably the next 5-10 years, but then what, found out later in life you better go back to school to keep yourself marketable. Pretty tough to do since you will probably have payments and a family by this time. Better to get the schooling done when your young and learn from the old wise mechanics on weekends. I am 29 years old and went to technical school for 2 years right out of high school. I was then hired on at caterpillar and have been there for the last 10 years. The stuff I work on is pretty unbeliveable and training on new products is steady. I don't knock the old mechanics, I get alot of my old school common sence approach from them. But I would not base my entire career on this. Knowledge is not the enemy and does not make you a cocky know it all. It all depends on the person. Feel free to email me if you have any questions.

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CNKS

12-06-2003 09:40:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: More power yes,no? in reply to Mark, 12-05-2003 22:15:16  
Well said -- exactly what I meant, good to hear from someone who has actually done that.



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dan

12-06-2003 06:37:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: More power yes,no? in reply to Mark, 12-05-2003 22:15:16  
I know you figure out more of that stuff on your own than you learn in school. At least I know i do. BTW I have a laptop and 3 different kinds of scanners on top of my toolbox. At my current job I am working on everything from riceburning cars to horsetrailers and tractors. Boy does it get confusing sometimes but I work by myself and it all gets figured out and fixed right the first time. Speaking of drive by wire did you know the 99 and up camaro and a few other chevys and a couple of fords have no throttle cables? it's all wires. There is one gm car that doesn't even have a steering colum. When I was working at a gm dealer I had to sit and watch all the training videos and at the last gm dealer I worked at I had to go to a lot of day and 2 day classes to keep current. I hold a gm master certification. But I don't count all of those little classes as going to school. That in my mind is just part of the job and any good company like major dealers will do it. The Volvo tractor dealer and IH dealer I worked at sent me to schools too. Right now I kinda wish I had gone to one on Polaris motorcycles. My boss brought his to me to fix and boy is it trashed. I have to rebuild the car and the motor. The oil doesn't work too well when it is 2 cycle mix oil. That's what he put in it. I got it figured out on my own though and it will be running monday. A carb and a motor is still just a carb and a motor no matter what the name. Some just have more junk on them than others.
At least I am finaly in a salaried position where I get paid really good and make my own hours more or less. Sure beats flat rate!

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