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Jeff

12-01-2003 14:47:22




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I'd appreciate it if anyone can tell me, in easy plain-English, how the "electrics" work on the H model. In what series are the components set up to get juice -- and in what order MUST they get juice? I know this may sound a simple thing to most of you, but the electrics on my H are giving me fits and I could use a review by someone who can put it in plain-english Help! And thanks!

Jeff




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Sam#3

12-02-2003 04:57:44




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 Re: H electrics? in reply to Jeff, 12-01-2003 14:47:22  

There is no 'simple' way to explain all the components but the hookup is fairly easy.
The system is made up of four basic circuits. 1) The charging circuit made up of a generator/alternator, an ampmeter and a battery. 2)The starting circuit made up of the battery and starter and some type switch to activate the starter motor.
3) The ignition circuit made of the distributer, coil, a switch (to open and close the circuit to battery) and the battery.
4) A light circuit(if equipped) made of the battery, the lights and a switch to close or open the circuit.
The trick is to find the common point for all these circuits. This CAN be a terminal post but most usually one of the ammeter posts. You can find the common point by following the large lead from the Gen./Alt to the ampmeter and then following any leads you find there(on both sides). An example: On the opposite ampmeter post another large lead will go somewhere and make a connection, directly or indirectly to a battery post. The other circuits will branch off the ampmeter in some way.
Break you trouble to the appropriate circuit so you don't fight the whole system at once. There is a fellow, BobM, that has a site with some very good pictorals of all the farmall electrical systems. Locate one of his posts i/c/w electrics and he'll usually give the URL for his site.

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Jeff

12-02-2003 05:55:40




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 Re: Re: H electrics? in reply to Sam#3, 12-02-2003 04:57:44  
Success!!!!! !

I want to give a special thank you to Sam#3 for his explanation of the four basic circuits. That explanation was exactly what I needed to hear. I used that information to check all parts of the system. I also want to thank Allan and Brad L. also for responding. Using Sam#3's explanation, I checked, and the common point for the circuits was indeed one of the ammeter posts, and I discovered the main problem was right there. I hadn't even noticed it before, but when I took a closer look, I noticed two of the wires definitely had seen better days. Last night late I cleaned the post, ran new wires, and my old H (1951) fired right up. I was so shocked I just stood there with my mouth open. Thanks, guys. I really appreciate your help. I am restoring this H to give to my dad for his 75th birthday in the spring. An H was the last tractor he had -- and was his favorite. I'm an idiot when it comes to tractor mechanics, but I'm giving it my best shot. Thanks for your help.

Jeff

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Brad L

12-01-2003 17:52:11




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 Re: H electrics? in reply to Jeff, 12-01-2003 14:47:22  
Do you have a Magneto or a coil with a distributor?Is your system 12 volt or 6 volt?



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Allan

12-01-2003 14:57:34




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 Re: H electrics? in reply to Jeff, 12-01-2003 14:47:22  
Jeff,

That isn't how it works. It is not a "first come, first serve" sort of a thing.

Electrical power is going to flow to the path of least resistance.

So say for instance, your battery is just a little on the weak side and you are trying to start your engine.

Since the current "sees" two ways of traveling, and it ‘sees’ less resistance in the starter route than it does in the ignition circuit, more power flows to the starter, proportionately speaking, and the ignition side suffers. In this scenario, the old gal cranks, but it might not start because of weak spark at the plug. That circuit is being cheated.

Circuits are set up in series, parallel, or a combination of both.

Does any of this make any sense?

What is your H doing that is driving you crazy?

Allan

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