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Going to attempt clutch job on 400

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Kelly C

11-28-2003 05:53:48




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Decided I better make sure my 400 is in tip top shape for haying next year before I get into the 300 rebuild.
The clutch on my 400 has been a beast. Real hard on the legs, Grinding gears wile shifting ect.
I picked up a rebuilt IH clutch wile I was out buying my Haybine. No Chinese ones gonig in my 400.
I might do the TA also wile I have it apart. We will see. I know I should but I have wrecked my budget the last couple of months. So much for self control :-)

This will be my 1st Tractor split, so I am real worried about it. Pretty sure I can handle it if I take it slow.
I will be sure to take lots of photos and add to my web site.

I am going in!! ( Kelly puts on goggles) Wish me luck!

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Yoda the tractor spliter

11-28-2003 15:41:58




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 Re: Going to attempt clutch job on 400 in reply to Kelly C, 11-28-2003 05:53:48  
Kelly When you split a tractor with a rowcrop front end a fool proof way of doing it safely is to use 4 24" guide pins in place of the frame to clutch housing bolts, two per side. This prevents the front from rolling over on you and assists with aligning it up when going back together. If you have 2 floor jacks use one under the rear end and one under the front for extra safety. With this method a clutch job is 2 hours max. Id rather split one than do a carb rebiuld. Good luck my young padwan learner.

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Kelly C

11-28-2003 16:59:11




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 Re: Re: Going to attempt clutch job on 400 in reply to Yoda the tractor spliter, 11-28-2003 15:41:58  
Ok what are guide pins and where do I get them?



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Yoda the tractor spliter

11-28-2003 17:33:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Going to attempt clutch job on 400 in reply to Kelly C, 11-28-2003 16:59:11  
The easiest way is to get some high grade all-thread grade 8 is best. I think the tread size of an M is 3/4". The last one I did was an H and I used 5/8" all-thread. That job took 1 hour 30 min to include detaching the steering and what not. I need to take pictures of such projects as you have on your web sight. Im splitting a Super M next week. Should be loads of fun. Oh one more thing!! When you go to push it back together you need to have the tranny in Neutral and use your engine crank to line up the clutch shaft splines to the clutch plate. This is the toughest part of the task. Take loads of pictures for the websight. Good luck

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Kelly C

11-28-2003 17:52:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Going to attempt clutch job on 400 in reply to Yoda the tractor spliter, 11-28-2003 17:33:59  
2 more questions.
1. What keeps the engine from falling when you remove all the bolts at the clutch housing?
Dont the bolts hold the engine and the frame rails together?
2. What would be a good substitute for a clutch alighnment tool for this?



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Jim

11-28-2003 19:41:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Going to attempt clutch job on in reply to Kelly C, 11-28-2003 17:52:31  
Kelly, whats your website address so I can be sure and see your photos? got to bebuild the TA on my 300 this winter. Ill let you lead and learn from your mistakes. :)



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Kelly C

11-28-2003 19:58:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Going to attempt clutch jo in reply to Jim, 11-28-2003 19:41:22  
Here you go. So far I have a section for the H, 300, 400, Home built trailer, Farmalls in action and a rebuild of my NH68 baler.



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Yoda the tractor spliter

11-28-2003 18:45:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Going to attempt clutch job on in reply to Kelly C, 11-28-2003 17:52:31  
remove the bolts and replace them with the guide pins one @ a time. The 4 giude pins will simulate the removed bolts in holding the assymbly together. They act basiclly as extensions to slide the motor and clutch housing apart but remaining lined up and not allowing the motor and front end to tip to either side. As for the other question no alignment tool is needed. You just need to use the crank extension to turn the motor over so that the splines line up. You can tell when they are aligned as you will begine to turn the tranny and it wont go together if its not lined up. I hope I have explained this well enough. Let me know if you have any more ?'s

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paul

11-30-2003 12:50:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Going to attempt clutch jo in reply to Yoda the tractor spliter, 11-28-2003 18:45:18  
where the h!@# were you when i did mine with a loader and A frame superb idea. you get the light bulb of the year award



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Jon

11-28-2003 11:28:49




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 Re: Going to attempt clutch job on 400 in reply to Kelly C, 11-28-2003 05:53:48  
Kelly, Good Luck, and may 'the force' be with you.



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Jon

11-28-2003 11:23:48




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 Re: Going to attempt clutch job on 400 in reply to Kelly C, 11-28-2003 05:53:48  
Kelly, Good Luck, and may 'the force' be with you.



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Kelly C

11-28-2003 12:00:50




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 Re: Re: Going to attempt clutch job on 400 in reply to Jon, 11-28-2003 11:23:48  
Thank you Master Jon. bzzzzz wzzzzz whozzzz (light saber sounds)



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Bill Evans

11-28-2003 06:11:25




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 Re: Going to attempt clutch job on 400 in reply to Kelly C, 11-28-2003 05:53:48  
Just got done putting 400 back together. Had it apart for engine removal. We blocked the front half, with supports under each frame rail and the rear of engine (remove oil pan). Rear half was resting on a 6x6 infront of TA drain plate, and 6x6 was on a floor jack with wheels. Just rolled rear away from front. Good luck and be carefull.



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Kelly C

11-28-2003 06:30:46




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 Re: Re: Going to attempt clutch job on 400 in reply to Bill Evans, 11-28-2003 06:11:25  
Thats an interesting idea with the floor jack.
I hadnt thought of that.
I think I am going to block the back and move the front. I have a cherry picker that should work for that.



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sod

11-29-2003 08:18:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Going to attempt clutch job on 400 in reply to Kelly C, 11-28-2003 06:30:46  
That front end might be a bit heavy for most cherry pickers???
good luck
sod



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Dan

11-28-2003 08:58:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Going to attempt clutch job on 400 in reply to Kelly C, 11-28-2003 06:30:46  
I responded to your TA question above, You realize you will have to remove the TA housing also I imagine? When I split my smta I made split stands similar to the ones in the IT and Blue Ribbon service manuel, out of parts from an old front mount cultivator. I also ,made a wheel setup for the back like shown in the books. It worked ok as long as the TA unit was on the front end but wasn't heavy enough for the rear part. If you have a cement floor the jack works good. Chain it to the tractor somehow so it doesn't slip out. Problem I saw with moving front is that mine is tricycle type and it is hard to keep them upright when moving them ahead. With a wide front you can block between the frame and axle and keep them upright. The service books are definitely worth having when you do this project. If you have any other problems or questions get back to me.

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