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Hugh MacKay

11-27-2003 18:07:00




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Well folks I got to drive a new Deere today, 74xx somthing, supposed to be 105 hp. My employer whom I normally drive a truck for asked me to haul cabbage from field to warehouse. Now I normally wear a Farmall hat but I thought for the ocasion I should have a green hat. Now I don't have a Deere hat, so I wore my Oliver hat.

Anyhow I can report it was a very nice tractor to operate, very manuverable for a 4x4 I thought. A very smooth shifting tractor with its 4 ranges, 4 speed power shift plus forward reverse and park on third lever. I was pulling two wagons each weighing about 5 tons. I watched the tach especially on slight grades. These new diesels just don't have the torque to remain steady like the old Farmalls. I also drove a new CaseIH awhile ago found the same with it, no staying power. These new tractors both roughly 100 hp, just don't have the ability to lug. It is a blessing they have 3 and 4 speed power shifts. As I told the owner of the CaseIH, your 360 cu in 886 only needed the two speed TA. In fact I would go so far as to say, put all three on a disk or cultivator requiring 100hp. You will most definately be using the power shift on the new CaseIH and Deere. With the 886 you would be using the TA only when wanting to slow down.

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Tim Kincaid

11-28-2003 16:07:42




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 Re: Hugh driving new Deere in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-27-2003 18:07:00  
Hugh, I bet your Farmalls were crying in the shed while you were on the the Big Deere. Next time you go to start one of them they might not want to start for you . Just kiddin Tim K.



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Hugh MacKay

11-30-2003 07:57:54




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 Re: Re: Hugh driving new Deere in reply to Tim Kincaid, 11-28-2003 16:07:42  
Tim: I went to my shop this morning and started all my Farmalls, not so much that I was worried your suggestion of their possible revenge, but rather I like to fire them up at least once a month, just to keep everything working nice. I'm happy to report they all fired right up.

I did notice some sign of mice being around, in fact two of them came out of Super A torque tube as it started. All the corn and beans arround me have been harvested in the past month, so I suppose mice figured shop a good place to winter. I quickly closed all the doors, went away and left tractors runing for about an hour. Came back opened big door went in and shut tractors down, and closed it up again. I'm sure that dose of carbon monoxide and fumes will convince mice there may be a better place to winter than my shop.

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Jon Schenk

11-28-2003 15:25:44




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 Re: Hugh driving new Deere in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-27-2003 18:07:00  
I was leveling land for my dad this past summer with our new JD 7210. never smoked a bit. That's a deere for you:)

Yea...I'm a deere man:)

And proud of it

Jon



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Hugh MacKay

11-30-2003 04:00:44




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 Re: Re: Hugh driving new Deere in reply to Jon Schenk, 11-28-2003 15:25:44  
Jon: As I said earlier a nice tractor to operate, as are new CaseIH, Ford NH, and Kubota. I haven't driven the rest. None of these tractors smoke but none of them have staying or lugging power either. You put an old Farmall or Deere from the 60s and 70's beside them and you will see real power, and steady power.

Another thing that annoys me very much on these new tractors is they litter the inside of cab with all thes do's and dont's that look so damn hiddious. Most of this this is plain common sence stuff. In my day, guys that stupid could never afford a tractor and employers were smart enough to never allow them on one. And yet they will use a symbol so small that a 62 year old guy has to get out his reading glasses to see if pto is engaged. Lights are another good one.

It is so obvious the legal profession takes a large chunk out of the cost of a new tractor. My dad used to say in the 1960s," Its no wonder the poor old cow has tears running down her cheaks, as she looks around the farm and sees what she is expected to pay for." I guess that must be the reason why there is no money in livestock farming anymore. Ever since the legal profession saw it as a cash grab, the poor old cow cried her heart out.

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Miss Grundy

11-28-2003 02:40:02




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 Re: Hugh driving new Deere in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-27-2003 18:07:00  
There are possibly worse vices than driving the Deere, but for the moment I cannot think of them. Hope nobody saw you. Kinda like kickin' a dog or sneakin' a kid's animal Crackers.



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JB

11-27-2003 18:51:34




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 Re: Hugh driving new Deere in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-27-2003 18:07:00  
Hugh, do those new polution laws that limit the amount of Diesel smoke that an engine can produce under load, have anything to do with lack of lugging power? On those old Diesels when they came under heavy load the govenor in the injection pump would pump more fuel into the cylinders to maintain the RPM. If excessive fuel was injected this would cause the engine to blow black Diesel smoke.
My thoughts are these new engines don't lug because the injection pump govenor will not supply sufficient fuel to maintain the RPM under heavy load and therefore no black smoke.

my 2 cents

Happy thanksgiving to all our friends south of the 49th.

JB

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Hugh MacKay

11-28-2003 19:39:50




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 Re: Re: Hugh driving new Deere in reply to JB, 11-27-2003 18:51:34  
JB: I was farming in the 1960's as North America switched on mass to diesel tractors. Yes I know there were diesels around before that, but I'm talking about the 80% that until then were using gas tractors. What a blessing these new diesels were in the 1960's, especially on jobs where controlled steady speed was necessary. Jobs like applying chemicals, seeding, and pto work. Most of these jobs never worked the tractor to it's max, but it did have the ability to maintain steady rpm. Most of the jobs I'm talking about never generated a lot of black smoke even by the tractors that would belch black smoke on demand if load got heavy enough. Farmall 06, 56, 66 and 86 series tractors were not bad on black smoke, if job was within rated hp. You start pushing them over rated hp and yes they would smoke some, but would maintain rpm.

This Deere and the CaseIH I drove a while back were not working to capacity. I have driven FordNH and Kubota as well, and same thing. In my opinion a 100 hp tractor should go along a hard road at 8 mph with 10 ton behind it on wagons, no more than 15% grade anywhere. The tach should not vary more than 100 rpm. I'm quite sure my 656 would do if and vary no more than that. My 1066 you would never see the tach move. These new 100 hp tractors are dropping 200-500 rpm on work that shouldn't create a mere sweat for them.

Just last year I watched a guy spreading fertilizer with one of those large tandem axle spreaders. These are the spreaders everyone rents from the fert company and they all pull them with a 100 hp tractors. This guy in question was pulling the spreader with a fully restored Farmall Super M. Man what a pretty picture, and that Super M was hiking along in 3rd or 4th gear to, and the spreader was full when I saw him.

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RAW in IA

11-27-2003 18:50:35




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 Re: Hugh driving new Deere in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-27-2003 18:07:00  
Kind of the same when IH went to the 460/560 series. To me they wer gutless wonders after the M or even the 350.



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