Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Farmall & IHC Tractors Discussion Forum
:

Super M on LP, Won't Start??

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
Mark

11-21-2003 18:35:32




Report to Moderator

Have a chance to buy a Super M on LP. Was running a few weeks ago. Has spark, LP tank has gas. Cranks over, tries to start. But no way. Is there any tricks to get these old LP powered beast to start. Tractor really worth the money. Has new front tires. They want $1000. for it...




[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
GT

11-24-2003 08:16:29




Report to Moderator
 Re: Super M on LP, Won't Start?? in reply to Mark, 11-21-2003 18:35:32  
Hi Mark,
If you get her, I have info on where to get filters and vaporizer rebuild kits. Just email me. Is there any way you could get those Ensign books scanned? Any information about those systems seems to be VERY scarce nowadays.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
GT

11-24-2003 08:37:33




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Super M on LP, Won't Start?? in reply to GT, 11-24-2003 08:16:29  
Sorry for the mix up Russell! I kinda think that you have a piece of history in those books. Parts are hard enough to find, information is worse. Can you get those scanned so that you can distribute them?



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Russel,AZ

11-22-2003 07:14:24




Report to Moderator
 Re: Super M on LP, Won't Start?? in reply to Mark, 11-21-2003 18:35:32  
After you buy it, try starting it on vapor only. Doing this will help in telling what is wrong with it. If it is flooding with liquid it won't start but if you only use vapor you will be keeping it from having to deal with the expansion of the liquid. Most important thing to remember with the LP is the ignition ratio range is very narrow, 12 - 14% fuel to air.

I have several old ensign and century books that may help you. My Dad had a 46M that had an engine super kit and was converted to propane. He did it in 1951 and never touched the engine again till he got rid of it in the 70's. It was our main tractor for several years and had lots of hours on it. In 1965 it outpulled every tractor in it's class at a county fair tractor pull, including a new Ford 6000. He drove it, I drove our 460 LP Farmall and he beat it also. To make it more interesting, this M was rusted, with the LP tank with the steering wheel shaft going thru it, the tank was never painted so it was in decaying primer (I still have the tank) Had an aftermarket wide front end with cheap fading paint, and the two rear tires were different brands/treadpatterns. Had to crank it, didn't have a starter,(died) ran on Magneto. Two quarter pulls and it was running!! He was a smart man. He loved to watch all the other tractors bring the front wheels off the ground when they were pulling. His never did. He told me several times if he can't beat a tractor with it's front end in the air He'd go home. I remember a 3020 that did once by 1/2 a tractor length but we still stayed for supper!! I degress but told all that to let you know there is NOTHING wrong with an M on LP. If I may be of help, let me know.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Cameron Bell

01-20-2004 16:40:00




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Super M on LP, Won't Start?? in reply to Russel,AZ, 11-22-2003 07:14:24  
Actually I am having the same problem with a Super M LP tractor I recently bought. The unit seemed to run fine when the weather was warmer, we hit a cold spell and now it cranks, has spark but no pop. A mechanic at my plant that works on our LP fork lifts informed me to take a look at the diaphram. I would be interested in any help you could give me.

Cam Bell



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Mark

11-22-2003 14:58:59




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Super M on LP, Won't Start?? in reply to Russel,AZ, 11-22-2003 07:14:24  
Hey Russel,AZ. The folks that have the tractor for sale, were not there today. We are having a cold front move through this area(N. Texas) overnight, but will try to get with them on Sunday. If I need any more help, I will contact you. Your email was blocked, so I could not email you directly. Thanks for the info. Mark



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
John A

11-21-2003 20:22:18




Report to Moderator
 Re: Super M on LP, Won't Start?? in reply to Mark, 11-21-2003 18:35:32  
Mark, Sounds like a diaphram is blown in the vaporiser! What that means is the engine will flood almost Immedataly if not sooner when you try to start it.
First, make sure the L. & V. valves are not leaking through in any way. If they are leaking ...R&R or get a rebuild kit. Now that there isn't any leakage. With both L. & V. valves closed.....Start cranking the engine and crack the V. valve and the engine should start...after she does let her warm up... then open the L. valve,close the V. valve and she should be good to go for a while.
To shut down...Shut off the L. valve...let engine burn all the fuel out of the line, and then die...cut off the switch. OBTW..If you want to go to all this trouble call me if you will.....probably NOT.
$1000 is a good price for this ol girl. Buy her before someone else does and strips her of the head, for some pulling tractor! Do you know if she is a Stage I or II.
Hopes this helps!
Good Luck,
John A.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Van

11-22-2003 16:28:34




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Super M on LP, Won't Start?? in reply to John A, 11-21-2003 20:22:18  
Hey John,
hope all is well with you, and yes the Stage III is all tucked in for the winter, Restoration on hold, building a new shop with a paint booth on one end. Will have some pictures of the finished beast this spring. It was sitting by my barn last month and a guy stopped and wanted to know what I want for "that old M" out back and after I let him look, I could tell by his expression he knew what it was. He offered $1800 and I just felt so dumb telling him no, but I did, so I guess I'll just have to get it back up to snuff and make it pretty this winter. Just need a few parts to include new propane valve and a propane filter. Van

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Bill

11-25-2003 18:58:51




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Super M on LP, Won't Start?? in reply to Van, 11-22-2003 16:28:34  
Van,
The conversation has been about whether your Super M on LP is Stage I, II or III. I have a Super M on LP in running order. Can you tell what the Stage numbers refer to and how I can tell what I have?
Thanks,
Bill



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Van

11-27-2003 07:56:19




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: Super M on LP, Won't Start?? in reply to Bill, 11-25-2003 18:58:51  
Bill,
See Johns post below, he explained it all better than I can.
Van



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
John A

11-23-2003 10:56:21




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Super M on LP, Won't Start?? in reply to Van, 11-22-2003 16:28:34  
Van, I still havent found another StageIII Super M LP yet? You very well may have the only one in existance. Take care of this ol girl. I look forward to the pics, come spring. Hummm...maybe calander quality restoration? We just don't see factory LPs in the calander.
I would have loved to have been there to see the look on his face. If you nee d help finding parts let me know.
Have a great Happy Thanksgiving! be careful out on the road.
Later,
John A.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Van

11-24-2003 05:15:25




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: Super M on LP, Won't Start?? in reply to John A, 11-23-2003 10:56:21  
John, I doubt that it is the only one in existance, but just the same may be a bit rare. In the above post you stated the tanks were crosswise on the mounting, mine is longways down the frame, any ideas about this? Have a great holiday and be safe.
Van



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Mark

11-22-2003 04:36:58




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Super M on LP, Won't Start?? in reply to John A, 11-21-2003 20:22:18  
Hey John A! Thanks for the info. What do I look for to determen if it is StageI or StageII ? Is one more desirable than the other? I would buy it, if I could make enough on it, to make it worth while for my trouble and work. Also, you asked me to call you, but no number was listed. When I tried to email you, it was blocked? Please email me with number.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
John A

11-22-2003 05:28:21




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Super M on LP, Won't Start?? in reply to Mark, 11-22-2003 04:36:58  
Mark, I am seriously kidding , I would not horn in on your tractor deal. I would love to have it too. I am here in central Texas, probably a long way from this ol'gril. I have located a Stage II Super M ..LP..here within 4 miles of my house. So I must pass on yours though.
How to tell the Stages.....StagesI look just like a regular M except, disk breaks, no live hydrolics, just the Lift-all.
Batt is still under the tank(on gas version)
I have never seen a factory LP stage I.
Stage II...Has live hydrolics, pump is in front of distributer..2 hoses running down the RH side of the tractor. there is a second resisvior for the hydrolic fluid where the Batt usually would be on a gas model. There is a Christmas tree setup comming of the lift-all fill point.
The Easy-rider seat assembly is removed for a seat assembly w/ Batt under it.
StageIII is the same as a II +...TA...&...LPTO.
These are visible differences that when you walk up to ityou should be able to tellwhat it is.
OBTW...The LP tank sits Cross-wise steering shaft goes through the tank. Valves, Fill,& bleed, face the rear of the tractor.
Van here on YT... has a Super M LP TA LPTO (Stage III) lucky dog! he is a great guy to visit with.
also GT... Has a 450 LP TA he has reseached for folks who have rebuilt kit and the like for LP.These are a couple of guys I visit with some.
NOW....GO BUY this ol'Darlin, do it some how,some way, If you don't you will regret it. If they are asking $1000 offer 750 for it..It isn't running now!....Just the way I would do it. Also I have unhidden my email here, if you want to email me.
Go get her...siccum!
Later,
John A.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Mark

11-22-2003 06:10:18




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: Super M on LP, Won't Start?? in reply to John A, 11-22-2003 05:28:21  
Hey John! Just sent you an email about a couple of other deals that I know about. Thanks again for all the help. Mark



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy