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glenn Fitz Ge

11-20-2003 21:05:49

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Even though I'm not a real IH fan I admit they made a very good tractor. However, about the H. What was that tractor really made for? It will hardly climb a hill in high gear with nothing hooked on the back. I know farms were smaller then but come on...

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Jim Ivens

11-22-2003 09:36:55

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Re: H Farmall in reply to glenn Fitz Gerald, 11-20-2003 21:05:49

Follow a horse and plow all day, and you would understand how good the H farmall was.

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gene b

11-22-2003 03:13:55

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Re: H Farmall in reply to glenn Fitz Gerald, 11-20-2003 21:05:49

Take your new car and go the same speed you are trying to go up this hill behind the H and it wont pull in high gear either.

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FarmallH42

11-21-2003 06:15:01

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Re: H Farmall in reply to glenn Fitz Gerald, 11-20-2003 21:05:49

My H goes up really steep hills around here in road gear. 1/2 throttle is all it takes.

If you can't make it up a hill you may need a tune up or an overhaul. Or maybe the governor isn't working properly.

Neighbor has a new New Holland TN75 (75 horsepower) that won't make it up a hill in road gear (17 mph) and my H will go up the same hill at 1/2 throttle.

So tell me, where are the improvements?

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BEL@IN

11-21-2003 05:46:57

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Re: H Farmall in reply to glenn Fitz Gerald, 11-20-2003 21:05:49

Guess I have to get my 2 cent`s worth in also. The H was a wonderful operator friendly tractor for the early 40`s when I started driving them. However the gears were poorly spaced. The first 4 were too close together and 5 was only for an unloaded tractor on an improved road. It would do 21 mph which was a real invite to rollovers on corners. It was still far ahead of JD and Allis at the time.

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Buzzman72

11-21-2003 06:13:08

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Re: Re: H Farmall in reply to BEL@IN, 11-21-2003 05:46:57

The Farmall H also had an enclosed steering system, unlike Case with its exposed arm on the front of the tractor. While it admittedly didn't have a 3-point hitch or live pto or live hydraulics, many of its contemporaries didn't have 'em, either. Considering its 1939 introduction, when many farms still didn't have electricity, its usefulness was quite progressive, in light of the technology it replaced. In light of modern technology, it was crude. But if the H didn't have enough power for you, why not step up to the M...as many farmers did back then?

Safety note: most H's that came out on steel wheels had a pin that locked out the slider rail for 5th gear...the pin was removable, in anticipation of when/if they were converted to rubber. How's THAT for anticipatory thinking from the factory?

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CNKS

11-21-2003 18:53:10

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Re: Re: Re: H Farmall in reply to Buzzman72, 11-21-2003 06:13:08

The H and M came standard with rubber tires, the bolt was inserted when they were equipped with optional steel wheels, not the other way around. With the rubber shortage during WWII, most were produced with steel wheels during that period, but they were introduced in 1939, WWII (for the US) began in 1941.

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CNKS

11-21-2003 18:59:02

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Re: Re: Re: Re: H Farmall in reply to CNKS, 11-21-2003 18:53:10

Also, that bolt must have been to save the clutch, rather than prevent the tractor from shaking itself to death. The H will not move in 5th with steel wheels. I know, because I have tried it.

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Buzzman72

11-22-2003 06:12:39

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: H Farmall in reply to CNKS, 11-21-2003 18:59:02

Don't know much except what Dad and grand-dad told me about H's on steel...but Dad told me about selling a new seat assembly for one a few years back. Seems that a local farmer had an H that he logged with on steel, and he'd removed the lock-out pin for 5th. Back then, this farmer hired whoever he could get to help with the logging...and some of the guys figured out they could make some good time running back from the loading area to the cutting area by using 5th...well, one of these yahoos, after unhooking the log he'd been dragging, attached the chain from the log hooks to the seat frame, with the log hooks sorta swinging from side to side (betcha can see THIS one comin')...as he was rippin' thru the woods, the swinging log hooks managed to grab something pretty stationary...somethin' had to give, and it was the framework for the seat...snatched it clean out from under him, according to what Dad was told! So Dad got to make a service run to bring out a new seat and install it...as well as a new 5th-gear lock-out pin...and to give the now-unemployed tractor operator a ride to town.

I don't know about HIM, but I believe I'd have needed to change my drawers after an episode like that!

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Paul in Mich

11-21-2003 05:28:25

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Re: H Farmall in reply to glenn Fitz Gerald, 11-20-2003 21:05:49

Glen, I don't know what you are trying to compare the Farmall H to, but compared to the tractors of comparable size available in its day, the H equaled or exceeded the performance of anything out there, bar none. I don't remember hill climbing ever being a reason to choose one tractor over another. On our farm, we had a John Deere B and a Farmall H, and although as a kid, I have to say I liked to drive the John Deere only because it was different and sort of fun, The farmall H was a far more useful tractor. The only thing the John Deere could do better was pull beans, because it had that 5th gear which was a slow road gear. I suppose that you could point out something on any tractor that was its best quality and say it could do this or that better than the others, but overall, The H was and still is one fine tractor, hills or no hills.

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rustyfarmall

11-21-2003 05:01:48

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Re: H Farmall in reply to glenn Fitz Gerald, 11-20-2003 21:05:49

How many different Hs have you driven? I live in southwest Iowa, we have some fairly steep hills around here, I have not been on any H that would not pull these hills in road gear, unless it was in bad need of a tune-up. Maybe that is what yours needs?

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Matt K.

11-21-2003 04:46:04

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Re: H Farmall in reply to glenn Fitz Gerald, 11-20-2003 21:05:49

Glenn, the fifth gear was designed as a
road gear,when you look at how close in ratio
the 1st.-4th. gears are(for field work),these tractors primarily
stayed on the farm most of the time.
That is an advantage I could see in the nine speed transmission for hauling wagons
etc.around on the farm today.

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Allan

11-21-2003 03:11:22

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Re: H Farmall in reply to glenn Fitz Gerald, 11-20-2003 21:05:49

Hi Glenn,

It is kinda hard to explain, but back when these things came out, they were a huge improvement over the use of horses for row crop farming.

Very seldom did you have the use of tandem implements; most everything was dragged around via the drawbar or mounted directly to the tractor. It was just the norm of the day.

A four section harrow, four section rotary hoe, 2 row cultivators and 6 22" row beat and bean equipment was just the equipment that was back then; not to mention smaller mowers, hay rakes and stackers.

So, the H was designed and used exactly for what was needed at the time.

It's counterparts were the JD B, the Case DC and the Ford 8N.

Therefore, it was a fairly wisely engineered tractor of it's time as it could easily outwork 2 teams of horses and could do it faster and could do it cheaper.

Damn! That was a long time ago, but it seems like only yesterday. :>)

Allan

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don

11-21-2003 18:55:31

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Re: Re: H Farmall in reply to Allan, 11-21-2003 03:11:22

Allan The H is the size of a SC not DC
DC is the size of a M

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Allan

11-21-2003 19:43:47

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Re: Re: Re: H Farmall in reply to don, 11-21-2003 18:55:31

Thanks Don,

I knew is was one of those "C"s anyway. LOL

Allan

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Jim in NC

11-21-2003 02:44:40

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Re: H Farmall in reply to glenn Fitz Gerald, 11-20-2003 21:05:49

Some of the hills around here are so ruogh that I would not want to go up them in high gear any way. It would not matter what kind of tractor that I had.

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Steve - IN

11-21-2003 01:16:04

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Re: H Farmall in reply to glenn Fitz Gerald, 11-20-2003 21:05:49

Maybe if you'd explain how anyone ever made any money going up a hill in top gear, you could get some rational debate about your assertion.

As it is, a number of us here grew up on a farm with just one non hillclimbing H and lived very well, thank you. They say living well is the best revenge and maybe the best rebuttal; so case closed.

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jakee

11-21-2003 20:42:51

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Re: Re: H Farmall in reply to Steve - IN, 11-21-2003 01:16:04

in simple term,s the H was a great tractor even 60 years after being sold, have one with wide front 3-point, and also have a super H , 300 and 2 M,s. i like the H better because it,s just esier to run.

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Rich

11-22-2003 05:41:14

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Re: Re: Re: H Farmall in reply to jakee, 11-21-2003 20:42:51

Those H tractors are a "Real Gem". I have a 47,50,54 super H. I love them all. Easy to manuver,steers easy,just an all around good,handy tractor.

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