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Gramps544

11-16-2003 16:46:15




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I have a I-544 with 4000+ hrs. It is a gas 4 cyclider model. It does not have replaceable sleaves so it is not easaly rebuildable. I know it could be rebuild, but the block would have to be drilled out and oversized piston put in (if available).

Anyways, as this is not simple matter of replacing sleaves and standard pistons, I feel these engines typically are not rebuilt. When they go, mostly the tractors are parted out.

My question is, under normal useage, what is the life expectancy of these engines? Correct me if I am totally wrong on my formula, but I would say for an automoble engin an adverage speed of 40 miles an hr is a good estimate. Taking 40 miles/hr * 4000 hrs = 160000. For a gas automoble engin, this is getting up there.

Is my engin approching end of life?

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Mark

11-17-2003 07:18:37




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 Re: 4000+ hrs on gas engine, how much longer will in reply to Gramps544, 11-16-2003 16:46:15  
Alot of its longevity is based on how it was taken care of and used. Was the oil and filter changed regularly,was it overheated,was it allowed to sit and idle alot,was it operated in dusty conditions without regular air filter service. If the tractor has had good regular maintenance,and was taken care of, it can run for 10,000 hours without an overhaul. If it has been abused,overheated,filters not changed can wear one out at 3000 hrs

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Allan

11-17-2003 03:18:39




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 Re: 4000+ hrs on gas engine, how much longer will in reply to Gramps544, 11-16-2003 16:46:15  
Hi Gramps,

Engines are funny things and don't follow the rules as they are written down or as we think of them & how they wear. :>)

After a gasoline engine is brought up to tempreature, for all intents and purposes, there is no wear whatsoever.

The wear comes when it is started cold and also if it is allowed to idle for long periods of time. These are the times when the upper cylinder walls are least likely to get lubrication.

That's why most of these old tractors were designed with updraft fuel systems. They are designed to keep that fuel to a minimum while the choke is being used and the engine is cold. Raw fuel washes lube away from that cold cylinder wall.

So, you can see that you really cannot compare engines in cars with engines in a tractor. You would never want to buy a used car where it's previous owner "Was a little old lady who just drove the car down to the post office and to church". That car has had a terrible life.

Car engines are abused in the worst possible way plus the fact that they are allowed to rev much, much higher than your tractor's engine.

You never hear of a car's engine lasting for over 50 years, but there are many tractors out there which have worked hard all their life and are still going strong. I would venture that many of these old tractors have upwards of 10,000 hard working hours on them.

So, if your tractor's engine is running fine, not making any unusual noises and not using oil, I would not even worry about it. Just ignore that hour meter and keep on keepin' on.

Allan

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Jimmy King

11-16-2003 22:42:50




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 Re: 4000+ hrs on gas engine, how much longer will in reply to Gramps544, 11-16-2003 16:46:15  
I had a 544 had to OH shortly after I got it can bore it 10, 20, 30, or 40. Mine was just a lemon that is all I can say. I have a friend that has had one since they were new unless he has traded it for a new one in the last couple of years.



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kev@ia

11-16-2003 18:42:17




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 Re: 4000+ hrs on gas engine, how much longer will in reply to Gramps544, 11-16-2003 16:46:15  
We had ours bored and it was not that much, dad doesn't do motor work so it was at the dealers anyway. Might be able to bore it to take 560 sleeves? I don't know but that is what the C-200 motor is based on, well that and the 300 parrent bore block. Chances of finding a block worth installing are slim, unless yours throws a rod or sumptin. Look it it this way, its lasted this long, are you gonna put another 4000 hours on it?

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CNKS

11-16-2003 17:00:01




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 Re: 4000+ hrs on gas engine, how much longer will in reply to Gramps544, 11-16-2003 16:46:15  
I have driven a IH 444, smaller, that was overhauled at about 4000 hours -- I don't know if it had sleeves are not. Overboring is very common on car engines, why not a tractor? Lot of IH engines don't have sleeves. Just run it until it needs it, then do what makes sense economically.



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Ben in KY

11-17-2003 06:26:35




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 Re: Re: 4000+ hrs on gas engine, how much longer w in reply to CNKS, 11-16-2003 17:00:01  
A 444 gas has no sleeves.



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