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Farm w/Junk

11-16-2003 08:48:22




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Hi I am looking at 2 Farmall tractors and needs the years and any other info. The one he says is a WDR9 #1959J. What does the R mean in the model? What is the J in the serial #? How much howspower is this tractor? What does it weigh? It is a diesel. What is it worth? Complete minus hood? Will run needs tinkered with. The other looks like a Farmall M. He says its a diesel and the model is #B450 RC and the serial is #3168. What does this mean? Whats this tractor worth? It has a 3 point and hydraulics. Thanks for any info

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RAR/IA

11-16-2003 16:15:20




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 Re: Farmall tractors in reply to Farm w/Junk, 11-16-2003 08:48:22  
The R does stand for Rice Field Special. The rear tires were originally 15 X 34 and are now replaced by 18.4 X 34. The 18.4 X 34's that I have on my WR9 also state 15 X 34. The originals had the continuous center tread (Firestones) which are no longer available. I put on some Titan blems for about $350 apiece. They are long bar type. Require 16" rims.

My WR9 is shown under tractor photos.

The WDR9 should also have a hand clutch, which is Rockford.

Where is this WDR9?

I also have a WR9 on factory rear steel,unrestored and not running. Both are 1947's
Roger in Iowa

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Harold H

11-16-2003 17:13:13




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 Re: Re: Farmall tractors in reply to RAR/IA, 11-16-2003 16:15:20  
Roger,

Just curious as to how your two WR-9's made it to Iowa? Lots of Southern salvage yards have good used 15(18.4) x 34 or 18(23.1) x 26 R-2 (rice and cane) tires as both of these sizes with the rice & cane tread were common on combines. The same goes for the single rib front tires. On your steel wheeled WR-9, does it have the tall 34" x 6" front wheels and the big 54" x 12" rear wheels with the 6" lugs? (The regular W-9 had smaller 30" x 6" front sheels and 48" x 12" rear wheels with 4" lugs). Also does your WR-9 have extensions on the rear wheels (makes them about 18" wide with 3 rows of lugs) and does it still have its rear wheel mud scrapers? Can you post pictures of your WR-9 on steel?

Harold H

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RAR/IA

11-17-2003 08:48:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Farmall tractors in reply to Harold H, 11-16-2003 17:13:13  
Dad's tractor was shipped by JD dealer truck (JD factory here at Ottumwa). Other tractor I found at JP salvage in Missouri. Tractor was from Louisana I believe. Rougher than I thought.

I thought I should have single rib front tires. Size is 7.50 x 18. Where could I find a set and $?

The steel wheeled 9 has 54" rears with extensions. Outer and inner rows of lugs are capped with welded ons because of wear. Does not have scrapers. Fronts were cobbled as the centers are for rubber tires. Thinking of parting out or would sell tractor as it is. Was a dual fuel version, start on gas run on distillate.

Don't have digital camera, yet. Could take with 35 mm and send. Phone is 683-1149. Figure out area code from other post.
Where are you?

Roger

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Harold H

11-18-2003 06:06:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall tractors in reply to RAR/IA, 11-17-2003 08:48:29  
I live in town in north Georgia so don't have room for big toys. I currently have a 1970 Cub Cadet that I cut my yard with (I sold it new to my neighbor across the street in Mississippi then bought it for myself when he traded it in on a new model two or three years later), a Struck Mini Dozer, and a 1950 Farmall H. The WR-9 is my all time favorite tractor but I havn't seen one on steel wheels in person in over 40 years is why I would like to see a picture of it. I used to be in the IHC farm equipment business in the Mississippi Delta. My Daddy started in the farm equipment business there in 1927, right after the flood. Miller Tire may have the single rib front tires or southern salvage yards probably have some as they were fairly common on combines in the 50's, 60's, and 70's. You might try your JP Salvage place in Missouri.

Harold H

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RAR/IA

11-18-2003 16:35:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall tractors in reply to Harold H, 11-18-2003 06:06:06  
I'll try to get some pix of the WR9 on steel, such as it is. Have always wanted one of the Struck dozers, but not too practical for me. We live on 55 acres in SE Iowa. I farm 25 acres with a 3020, 4400 combine, two JD Lawn and Garden's (300 and 316). Luckily wife likes to mow and repairs are same for both of the 300's. Grew up with the WR9, 9N and 8N Ford's. E-mail at tractorrar at Yahoo.com if interested. Run it together as usual.
Worked at a JD factory (hay and forage) for nearly 29 years. Traveled US, Canada, Europe. Spent a little time in Georgia and a lot in Florida.

Roger

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Harold H

11-19-2003 16:49:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall tractors in reply to RAR/IA, 11-18-2003 16:35:26  
Roger,

I had always wanted a Struck every since they came out in "Popular Mechanics" and "Popular Science" back in the 60's. I bought this one about 8 or 10 years ago, well used, completely disambled it and rebuilt it. I bought it from somewhere up north and it is the first and only Struck I have actually ever seen. It is one of the belt drive models. Whenever someone asks me how much work it will do, I honestly say "it beats a shovel". It is fun to play with but too small to do any real work, just an overgrown toy. I would like to have a WR-9 but don't have any room, really don't have room for what I already have. I have to store the Struck on a trailer for room, and my H shares my former RV shed with my pickup (the rear of the pickup sticks out in the weather).

Harold H

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Harold H

11-16-2003 17:22:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Farmall tractors in reply to Harold H, 11-16-2003 17:13:13  
Roger,

Just looked up the picture of your WR-9. A real good looking tractor. Your caption says your Father bought it in 1948 in Kansas. Did they ever raise a viarity of rice in Kansas. I wouldn't think rice would grow in that climate. If not, what did they use "Rice Field Special" tractors for in that area?

Harold H



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RAR/IA

11-17-2003 08:28:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall tractors in reply to Harold H, 11-16-2003 17:22:48  
The WR9 is just what the dealer had. Shortage of tractors after the war! I know a few others from Eastern Kansas, but no rice grown anywhere in Kansas. We liked the tractor because of the hand clutch and wide fenders. Only stuck once in it's life with the rice tires. Original tires probably outlasted two sets of regular tires. Sidewalls finally gave out. Will post another followup on your other note.

Roger

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Hugh MacKay

11-16-2003 11:58:10




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 Re: Farmall tractors in reply to Farm w/Junk, 11-16-2003 08:48:22  
Farm with junk: You have the info on the R in WD9, it is a diesel, D stands for diesel and J stands for Rockford clutch.

On the B-450 RC they were all diesel. B stands for British, thus the tractor is a direct start diesel using glow plugs. The British never changed the sheet metal as they changed from letter series to number series tractors. Those B-450 were built until 1965. It was preceeded by the Super BMD and production of that one ended around 1958 and B-450 began. These tractors also had a factory 3 point hitch. There was also an earlier BM and BMD, back then the British did use a gas engine in the BM.

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Harold H

11-16-2003 11:57:26




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 Re: Farmall tractors in reply to Farm w/Junk, 11-16-2003 08:48:22  
You are looking at a McCormick Deering WDR-9 Rice Field Special and a Farmall B-450. Both the Farmall B-450 and the International B-450 were made in England and very few were sold in North America. The Farmall B-450 (row crop) was only imported and sold to dealers in the deep South and in Texas. The International B-450 (standard type) was imported and sold only in Canada. I don't have specifications on the B-450 but it was around 55 ptohp as best I remember. The WD-9, basicly same tractor as the WDR-9, was Nebraska Test# 441 which yielded 51.27 belt hp and 46.83 dbhp. Corrected hp 53.24 belt hp & 48.45 dbhp. 6727 max lbs pull @ 2.02 mph. It has a 334.5 cu inch diesel engine (start on gas & switch to diesel). Shipping weight for the WDR-9 was 6705 with standard tires and equipment. Weights, liquid in tires, and optional tires can add considerably to this. WDR9 #1959J is a 1941 model. J means Rockford clutch. B450RC #3168 is a 1962 model. Values on both are what they are worth to you.

Where are these tractors located? Unless they have been relocated, they would be pretty much in; Mississippi Delta, Arkansas Delta, Louisiana, or Texas.

Harold H

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Harold H

11-16-2003 12:20:58




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 Re: Re: Farmall tractors in reply to Harold H, 11-16-2003 11:57:26  
If you purchase these tractors, as I have previously stated on this forum, I believe the McCormick WR or WDR-9 tractor, equipped with either the big rice and cane tires or the big ricefield steel wheels, is the best looking tractor IHC ever produced.

The Farmall B-450 is an excellent handling and all round tractor. The only drawback to it is that for pto work, it does not have a IPTO.

Harold H

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Farm w/Junk

11-16-2003 12:46:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Farmall tractors in reply to Harold H, 11-16-2003 12:20:58  
Does the B450 have independent hydraulics? Are parts easy to find? Are the farmall start on gas switch to diesel tractors hard to restore or expensive? How much are big rice tires to purchase? What size did they usually have on rear? Thanks for your help, and I will try to post pictures. Matt



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Harold H

11-16-2003 16:54:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall tractors in reply to Farm w/Junk, 11-16-2003 12:46:32  
Matt,

The Farmall B-450 does have live hydraulics. The three point hitch is extremely rugged but does not have draft control. As previously stated, it does not have IPTO, only a transmission driven pto. Parts are available but you may have to look a while. Many drivetrain and sheetmetal parts are common to the Super M.
On the WDR-9, the front tires should be 7.50 x 18 single rib (guide ring) front tires and either 15 (18.4) x 34 R-2 (rice & cane) or 18 (23.1) x 26 R-2 (rice & cane) rear tires depending on if you have 34 or 26" rear wheels. Good used R-2 tires in either of these sizes can usually be found in southern salvage yards as they were common on combines. The gas start diesel is a excellent engine but you need to let it cool down before shutting it down to avoid cracking the head. You havn't yet said what part of the country you found these tractors in. Just curious.


Harold H

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Ty

11-16-2003 08:53:39




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 Re: Farmall tractors in reply to Farm w/Junk, 11-16-2003 08:48:22  
Looks to me the WDR9 is a rice special. The other seems to be a 450 row crop diesel.



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Farm w/Junk

11-16-2003 09:12:57




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 Re: Re: Farmall tractors in reply to Ty, 11-16-2003 08:53:39  
So thats what the R stands for. Thanks. But the pictures I have seen of 450 have totally different sheetmetal then M's do and this looks just like an M. Thanks again
Matt



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Bigdog

11-16-2003 11:44:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Farmall tractors in reply to Farm w/Junk, 11-16-2003 09:12:57  
Also, the J in the serial number indicates it has a clutch manufactured by Rockford. IH used clutches made by different manufacturers. The serial number designation allowed service personnel to know what type of clutch it had without splitting a tractor.



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