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KFG

11-14-2003 09:45:43

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Does anyone know how many Super A1's were produced in 1954. I bought a 1954 Super A and after taking it apart and finding the serial and engine numbers I have found that it is a Super A1.

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REA

11-14-2003 14:00:28

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Re: Super A1 Serial in reply to KFG, 11-14-2003 09:45:43

Hi KFG, 1,957 according to International Harvester Tractor data book by Guy Fay serial numbers 356001-357958. Have fun. Bob

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REA

11-18-2003 13:36:16

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Re: Re: Super A1 Serial in reply to REA, 11-14-2003 14:00:28

Hi Scott,

I am back with book in hand. Chassis prefixes FAA-1; Engine prefixes FCM. Chassis serial number location right side of tool box & seat support. Engine serial number location upper right side of engine crankcase. No attempt was made by the factory to match engine and tractor serial numbers. If you can find these numbers with the prefixes we should be able to figure the year.

Bob

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Scott Wolfe

11-18-2003 19:11:18

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Re: Re: Re: Super A1 Serial in reply to REA, 11-18-2003 13:36:16

Hi Bob, I appreciate your help.
I cannot locate anything with a prefix. The ID plate on the seat support is completely gone. The casting on the engine block is 261069-R1, located near "Firing Order 1-3-4-2". Does this help at all?
The tractor has dual hydraulics with belly-mounted cultivators (front arms), and rear lift arms.
You can e-mail me directly if you'de like. This is going to be a resto for me and my young son.

Thanks,
Scott

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Scott Wolfe

11-18-2003 19:39:33

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Super A1 Serial in reply to Scott Wolfe, 11-18-2003 19:11:18

Bob,

I found a # on the machined boss on the engine.
It reads: FAA M G
over 302506 1AA

Most of the casting tags are: 1*4*U
Does that translate to: January 4, 1949?

Scott

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Scott Wolfe

11-17-2003 18:57:22

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Re: Re: Super A1 Serial in reply to REA, 11-14-2003 14:00:28

I just picked up a Super A (i think), but the serial No. tag is gone. Are there additional stampings or casting ##s that could help me identify?
Thanks.

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REA

11-20-2003 04:13:59

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Re: Re: Re: Super A1 Serial in reply to Scott Wolfe, 11-17-2003 18:57:22

Hi Scott,
Sorry it took me so long to get back. The numbers you have given me were helpful. The 1*4*U means Built January 4, 1951. The engine number 302506 conferms that because the numbers between 300126-324469 were built in the year 1951. So what you have is a Farmall Super A. The FAAMG means Famall A, Super A, M means seeding machine, G means hay loaders and fertilizer distributors. Scott I may stand to be corrected on the last two letters M & G. Have fun in your restoration with your son, it will make a great winter project. Bob

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Scott Wolfe

11-20-2003 10:26:34

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Super A1 Serial in reply to REA, 11-20-2003 04:13:59

Thanks for your help Bob. I have one last question given the information you've shared: 1- If the casting tags indicate Jan. 4, 1951 wouldn't the build date be later (assembly)? 2- I agree with engine # putting it in 1951 production, but what is the likekyhood that the engine # and the tractor # are the same? confirming that the tractor itself is indeed 1951?
Sorry for dragging out the issue.
Scott

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REA

11-20-2003 14:51:34

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Super A1 Serial in reply to Scott Wolfe, 11-20-2003 10:26:34

Hi Scott, speaking from experience as a foreman on sub-assemblies on an assembly floor. Working with 60 men on machine tools. We had an assembly line that worked smoothly most of the time, and this was nothing compared to what Farmall and International would have. Believe me they would have their plants working in the fifties at top production with efficiency to keep up with the competition of Ford,Case,John Deere, to name a few. They had all the parts there and in the indexing shelf just waiting to be placed onto a conveyor belt to be delivered to the correct department. The only thing to disrupt this operation would be a union strike. If your tractor was made in January 4,1951 you can rest assure it was built in 1951 because it didn't take them two weeks to build a tractor.
Bob

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Scott Wolfe

11-20-2003 16:26:04

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Super A1 Serial in reply to REA, 11-20-2003 14:51:34

Bob, I can't believe it! I came home today and just started perusing over the tractor some more, and stubled on the serial plate! It was buried under 1/8" of paint, relocated to the left side seat support back behind the PTO (belt) shield. Just happened to see a sheet metal screw with flashlight, and wondered what it was doing there, and presto! I'm familiar enough with machinery # plates that it jumped right out at me when I saw the other side. Anyway, after a bit of un-painting here is what I have in addition to the engine ##s I gave you yesterday: Model A Serial No. F.A.A. 98045. Is that weird that it only has 5 digits?
Scott

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Scott Wolfe

11-20-2003 17:23:09

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Super A1 Serial in reply to Scott Wolfe, 11-20-2003 16:26:04

Boy now I'm totally confused!
After my last post, I looked around the web for more info. If I hit it right, this tag that I have with 5 digit ##indicates that it is a 1944 A. ????? The tractor has dual hydraulics and all, and the casting tags state 1*4*U, which is later than '44. I found this plate on the left side seat support (looking from the back). I just don't know, there is nothing I see yet with a SA prefix, but the tractor seems to be a "super". What's the possibility that the seat came off of an A at some point?
Baffeled as bull____ now.

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REA

11-21-2003 04:37:57

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Super A1 Serial in reply to Scott Wolfe, 11-20-2003 17:23:09

Hi Scott, Sitting on your tractor looking forward the left side is on your left, and right side is on your right. The serial number tag should be on the left side under the seat, on the seat support. I will check in the book once again to see what you have using that serial number. It may be a back yard rebuild, because the older ones didn't have the hydraulics. We had the Lift-All on our Farmall A 1946, it worked off the exhaust. Bob

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Scott

11-21-2003 06:02:43

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Super A1 Seria in reply to REA, 11-21-2003 04:37:57

Bob,
OK, I'm clear on the left/right. What is also confusing is that the info I've read from everyone's sites and posts, indicate A's tags where on the left (as wher I found this one), and Super A's were on the right near the toolbox.
Is it possible someone could have put twin "touch-control" hydraulics from a super on an older A? That would be a lot of trouble considering all associated components wouldn't it? Would it even bolt up to an older trans? And once again, the castings (engine,trans,rear,etc.) indicate 1*4*U which would put it later than the date of this serial tag, yes? I found one casting tag on the hydraulic assembly indicating 6*29*T. And to go back to the ##s stamped on the engine, confuses/contradicts what I've now found.
Recap: Engine-FAA M G 302506 1AA Serial Plate-Model A, Serial No. F.A.A. 98045, made by I-H Co. Chicago, Ill.
I guess I'm now wondering if I have an A with Super parts, or a Super A with some older A parts?
I appreciate your help, as I haven't yet received any reference books.
Mind-boggeled,
Scott

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REA

11-21-2003 10:30:28

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Super A1 S in reply to Scott, 11-21-2003 06:02:43

Hi Scott, you are correct it is not likely that someone put the newer parts from a Super A onto an older A. What you have is a 1951 Super A with an old A seat. I do not know if a hydraulic unit will fit onto the chassis without some modification. I know that on my Super C there are four bolt holes that hold that unit on, and there is a flat place in the casting made for it to fit square. Bob

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REA

11-18-2003 03:50:12

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Re: Re: Re: Super A1 Serial in reply to Scott Wolfe, 11-17-2003 18:57:22

Hi Scott,

Yes there are markings on castings that can get you in the ball park. Not all castings were fron the same place because the company was so large that different parts may have come all over. I have an appointment, but will look in the book by Guy Fay to get the information for you to look for.

Bob

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