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what is distillate???????

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ronda

11-11-2003 19:34:58




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I want to know what the difference is in the h with a gas engine and a distillate engine ,and what is distillate.




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John Church

11-18-2003 14:31:30




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 Re: what is distillate??????? in reply to ronda, 11-11-2003 19:34:58  
Some time ago, some knowledgeable person posted an answer to the same question....what is distillate? Here is the answer that came up at that time:
What exactly is distillate?

: Distillate is simply the left over parts of crude oil after the more popular fractions have been distilled out! Hence the name.....
: : Basically, you'd take the crude oil and heat it in a still. The different hyrdocarbons in the crude mix will distill out in order of their complexity.
: : Methane (one), Butane (two), Propane (three), etc. All come out in order as gas and are sent to storage facilities at the well sites (usually). The crude oil is a mix of all of the liquid (at normal temperatures) HC chains. If you heat it up, the liquids turn into gas, with the lighter ones boiling off first, followed in succession by the heavier ones. The crude oil in the still will settle out at temperature points, which tells you what fraction is boiling off currently.
: : Now, since you want reasonably pure Gasolene, Kerosene, diesel, etc. you have a point where the liquid in the still is ramping to the next temperature point; you need to dump the output during the ramping into a different container. Once the temp. stabilizes at the next point, you switch the output to the pipes leading to the specific storage tanks (gas, kero, etc.)
: : So, when you're done with this process you have a number of tanks containing specific grades of fuels, and an extra tank containing a mixture of all of the fuels. This extra mixed fuel was referred to as distillate!
: : Now, you wonder where you can get it today? You can't! It hasn't existed since 1943! you see, the oil refining process was forever changed as a result of the Second World War!
: : A process for making a barrel of crude oil into a barrel of gasolene was needed to fuel the war effort. The distillation process was replaced by the cracking process.
: : Cracking involves a catalytic process whereby all of the HC chains in the crude are split in to single HC molecules. Then, these molecules are recombined into the required HC chains necessary to produce a specific fuel (Gasolene, Kerosene, Diesel, etc).

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CNKS

11-12-2003 18:57:43




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 Re: what is distillate??????? in reply to ronda, 11-11-2003 19:34:58  
I'm not a chemist so I am not going to attempt to explain the differences, but, kerosene and distillate are not the same. In fact IH made 3 engines for each model, kerosene, distillate, and gasoline, (not including the diesel engine in the MD, WD6, WD9, etc). Without looking up part numbers I think only the heads were different.



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Sid

11-12-2003 01:59:11




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 Re: what is distillate??????? in reply to ronda, 11-11-2003 19:34:58  
Distillate was similar to home heating oil. In 1949 nine states imposed gasoline taxes that were not exempt or refunded to the farmer when the fuel was used agricultural purposes. It was therefore much cheaper to use distillate than gasoline even though it was less efficient and less convenient. Octane rating ranged 30 to 35.
At that time kerosene was was primarily a lamp oil and was slightly more expensive than distillate. With an octane rating varying between 0 and 20 it also required a much lower compression ratio so was not used very much.
Optional compression ratios available for the Farmall H were : High-compression gasoline (70 octane) ~ 5.9; Combination gasoline-dist. ~ 4.75; Kerosene ~ 4.5.

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Steve - IN

11-11-2003 21:37:14




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 Re: what is distillate??????? in reply to ronda, 11-11-2003 19:34:58  
ronda,

All tractor fuels are "distilled" or burned off from crude oil. The lighter stuff with fewer carbon molecules, like paint thinner, comes off first. Then you get gasolines with 6,7,8,9 carbon atoms per molecule. Then comes the heavier fuels like kerosene (a.k.a. distillate) with 11 to 14 carbons atoms per molecule. Then come heavier fuels like Diesel and heating oil. Then the heavy stuff like motor oil, and asphalt are last in line.

When that distillate tractor was built, there was more demand for gasoline in cars than there was for kerosene - so it was a lot cheaper then than gas. Now that we have turbine jets that burn kerosene, the price has gone up. There's little savings in burning kerosene anymore.

When distillate did mean fuel cost savings, you had to modify the engine to burn kerosene. First it is easier to start on gas than kero, so you see two tank and a switchover valve on the kero engine. Second kero has more carbons per molecule than gasoline - so you have to change the carb / intake to add heat so it stays as a mist and doesn't fall out as a liquid when it's cold - so you had to add ducts to heat the carb/intake manifold. Next and last, kero has more hydrogen atoms per molecule than gas - so it makes a bigger explosion when it does fire. The engine is basically an air pump. So if the amount of explosion is greater, you have to make less pressure in the air pump (called compression ratio in an engine) to compensate.

They used to say better living through chemistry - that may not be true - but different engines from different chemistry surely is.

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randy hall

11-11-2003 20:32:38




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 Re: what is distillate??????? in reply to ronda, 11-11-2003 19:34:58  
there are three levels of compression for an h.hi compression for gasoline 70 octane, medium compression for distillate 40 octane and low compression for kerosine 0 octane. as you can see distillate is a fuel that is heavier than gasoline but lighter than kerosine.



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frd

11-11-2003 19:47:22




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 Re: what is distillate??????? in reply to ronda, 11-11-2003 19:34:58  
Kerosene (coal oil)



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