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Small Alternator for under the Hood installation

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BIG JOHN

11-04-2003 14:26:17




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I see the Mike J is asking about this so thought it might just be time to put this on the board again.

I have been putting this small alternator on several tractors, replacing generators under the hood.

It is a Hitachi #14231 which was used on 1978-79 Nissan 620 pickup with a 2 liter engine and a 1980 Nissan 720 pickup with a 2 liter engine. At NAPA it is part #2138130 - cost is right at $50 + core.

The alternator is 4 1/2" in Dia. and 7" in length and will go right on the orginal mountings on the tractor. Use an 8" x 3/8" bolt and some pipe for spacers. Being Hitachi means that it is METRIC. You will need to drill out the mountings to 3/8". The tension adjusting bolt is also metric thread.

The alternator is a three (3) wire set up which can be converted to one (1) wire. There are spade conections labled S & L and a BAT post conection. The L spade is for the idot light and can be disregarded. Use a jumper wire from the S spade to the BAT post and you are good to go.

The pully is a split type that you can widen using a spacer (once again metric). You will need to use a disc type lock washer and some locktite because there won't be room to reuse the split lock washer that comes with it.

There is a built in regulator and a resister to keep the battery from feeding back to the alternator.

This is a sweet fit under the hood that I have used on H's, M's and W models, also Cubs and many others.

Hope this is of some help.

GOOD LUCK

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BIG JOHN

11-05-2003 18:12:04




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 Re: Small Alternator for under the Hood installati in reply to BIG JOHN, 11-04-2003 14:26:17  
The disc spacer is to widen out the pully to match up with the drive pully on the tractor. I have purchased this rebuilt alternator with 3/8" reducers back to metric so I wouldn't worry about not geting a core credit for one you have drilled out. The reason for drilling out the alternator is that the mountings on the tractor are 3/8" and it is much easier to drill out the alternator than to try to find inserts back to metric for the mountings. The pipe spacers are to insure a good solid mounting of the alternator, and are cut to fit and placed over the 3/8" bolt.

Please post any other questions and I will try to answer them.

I have also used this alternator on A's, B's, C's, and Super C's. To my thinking the smaller size looks much better hanging on the left side than one of the bigger ones. Just my preference.

GOOD LUCK

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Buster

11-06-2003 08:29:41




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 Re: Re: Small Alternator for under the Hood instal in reply to BIG JOHN, 11-05-2003 18:12:04  
Thanks Big John



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Buster

11-05-2003 08:57:49




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 Re: Small Alternator for under the Hood installati in reply to BIG JOHN, 11-04-2003 14:26:17  
Just when I thought I had the Delco conversion figured out, now comes this. I have 100. The Delcos I have seen on them and the A seem to fit pretty good. What does the spacer do>? Make the belt groove wider? Does it come with the alternator or dealer? Can using the metric 8" bolt work instead of the drill out? Help!



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Slowpoke

11-05-2003 01:08:23




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 Re: Small Alternator for under the Hood installati in reply to BIG JOHN, 11-04-2003 14:26:17  
I see a future problem here when drilling the alternator to take a 3/8" bolt for mounting. If it goes bad, it can't be used for a core since it's been altered. Then you're out the core charge. If it's accepted as a core, it might be caught at the rebuilders. If not someone will get a unit that won't fit right. Why not use the correct metric bolt with sleeves to make the 3/8" diameter?



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big fred

11-04-2003 21:49:13




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 Re: Small Alternator for under the Hood installati in reply to BIG JOHN, 11-04-2003 14:26:17  
Thanks, John, and also Doug! Finally someone found a use for all them Japanese trucks and cars out there! There's a Japanese car salvage yard about a mile outa town, I'll hafta stop in and give them some money. Thanks again!



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Doug in OR

11-04-2003 18:36:27




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 Re: Small Alternator for under the Hood installati in reply to BIG JOHN, 11-04-2003 14:26:17  
The Nippondenso alternator is more reliable than the Hitachi. You can find some nice compact ones under the hood of a mid-80's Toyota Tercel or Corolla. Yes, the good old Delco 10SI is a nice alternator for an M (I'm using one) and other larger tractors. It's just that sometimes a person wants something that is a bit more compact. Most alternators with internal regulators are fairly straight-forward to install and wire. Put out a note here if anyone has any questions as to what the terminal designations mean - I'll be glad to help.

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Bus Driver

11-04-2003 15:49:56




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 Re: Small Alternator for under the Hood installati in reply to BIG JOHN, 11-04-2003 14:26:17  
Here in NC, NAPA wants much more for that unit. I bought (supposedly) two of them from a distant junkyard- computer tie-in to local yard. One of them was the right one, the other is slightly larger- not sure what it fits. Also, my experience with the import alternators is that they require repairs more often than the reliable old Delco. I have a regular Delco under the hood of one of my Cubs- it can be made to fit by careful bracket design.

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Bob in SE Nebraska

11-04-2003 14:58:32




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 Re: Small Alternator for under the Hood installati in reply to BIG JOHN, 11-04-2003 14:26:17  
Great post! I made a copy of it and will add a page to my "Useful Tractor Information" binder that I keep.

Thanks, Bob



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Mike J.

11-04-2003 14:37:14




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 Re: Small Alternator for under the Hood installati in reply to BIG JOHN, 11-04-2003 14:26:17  
Wow! I can see from your post that you have done this a few times. Thanks for your input. I just hope I can take the Delco back. I might be stuck with it.....



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Nebraska Cowman

11-04-2003 16:36:27




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 Re: Re: Small Alternator for under the Hood instal in reply to Mike J., 11-04-2003 14:37:14  
I'd keep the Delco. I bought an M with a Delco on it 9 years ago and have not had the hood off the tractor.



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