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freshly rebuilt a engine blowby under heavy load

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Jonathan Mirgon

11-02-2003 19:37:23




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I have a 1940 farmall "a" that I rebuilt the engine from top to bottom on. It runs excellent, but under a heavy load I can see slight white smoke from the valve cover breather. Example : pulling an extremely steep hill in high gear to the point it is drowning the engine out. This is when it is noticed. Is this normal ?




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Farmall Don

11-03-2003 11:16:17




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 Re: freshly rebuilt a engine blowby under heavy lo in reply to Jonathan Mirgon, 11-02-2003 19:37:23  
Mine did that for a little bit, and after about 20hours it stopped. I think the rings needed to seat.



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Buzzman72

11-04-2003 06:01:31




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 Re: Re: freshly rebuilt a engine blowby under heav in reply to Farmall Don, 11-03-2003 11:16:17  
Ditto the thought on giving the rings time to seat. In the 1950's, Dad sold (new) an R-110 International pickup to a fellow known as "Powder." "Powder" was a truck farmer; that is, he farmed mostly vegetables, and brought his produce to town and sold it on the courthouse square, out of bushel baskets in the bed of the truck. Powder's truck ALWAYS seemed to smoke, and one day Dad asked him, "Powder, do you ever get that thing warmed up enough to seat the rings?" (Powder only lived a couple miles from the center of town). Powder's reply: "I never make over about 35 mile [per hour]". Long story short: if/when the rings seat, the smoke should go away.

Second point: Cast rings usually seat quicker than chrome rings...which is why companies like TotalSeal market their "gapless" rings (two overlapping rings in the second ring groove, with ring gaps 180 degrees apart...ergo, gapless) with one ring made of cast iron (to seat quickly) and the other chrome-faced (for longevity).

Hope this helps.

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Allan

11-03-2003 03:26:32




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 Re: freshly rebuilt a engine blowby under heavy lo in reply to Jonathan Mirgon, 11-02-2003 19:37:23  
Jonathan,

All engines have to breathe and a certain amount of “slight” smoke out of the draft tube is completely normal; the harder that they are pulling, the more the blow-by pressures.

All blow-by pressures originate at the combustion chamber and proper clearances control that pressure. Here are some things to think about:

When you say, "freshly rebuilt", did you replace the sleeves or re-bore (depending on engine) or did you just re-ring it? Replacing just the rings is a stop-gap/band-aid repair at best. A new ring against a bell-mouthed or wavy bore will never seat.

Were the rings correctly installed in regards to stagger and correct top/bottom orientation? Were the expanders and scrapers installed correctly? Were the ring gaps cleaned and were the depths correct? Ring-to-land clearances are critical when re using old pistons.

Were the valve guide to valve clearances correct as well as the installation of their respective seals?

Lastly, is the ventilation system inlet plugged?

Just some ideas,

Allan

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Shaggy

11-02-2003 20:56:01




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 Re: freshly rebuilt a engine blowby under heavy lo in reply to Jonathan Mirgon, 11-02-2003 19:37:23  
The rings may not be seated yet. Did you do anyting to the valve guides?



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Jonathan MIrgon

11-03-2003 02:54:54




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 Re: Re: freshly rebuilt a engine blowby under heav in reply to Shaggy, 11-02-2003 20:56:01  
machine shop did replaced the guides and valves and also put in hardened seats.



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