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Hydraulic Dilema .... '50 Super A

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TonyG

11-01-2003 07:23:47




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Hey Guys, I need help on this Touch Control unit. First a bit of background; '50 Super A, Touch Control Unit(TCU) had three problems - leaking (at strainer plate), "hunting" for position, and When moving an implement (pulling either lever towards the rear) the engine would labor, even when nothing at all was connected to the TCU! So I figured, rebuild the TCU, as it looked to have never been done before. I replaced all the gaskets, O-rings, plastic valves&springs, cleaned the entire unit (actually became a restoration project for the unit) down to bare metal, and reassembled with great care and cleanliness. After remounting the unit, the leak was gone, the hunting stopped BUT the unit still labors the engine when moving the levers to the rear! It lifts just fine, and puts plenty of down pressure, but really works the engine just to move those arms to the rear! (by the way, the arms move freely when disconnected from the TCU rods, so their not grinding or stuck). I don't think it’s the pump, or it would act the same going in either direction. I didn't replace the small orifice (looks like a carb jet with a strainer attached) that’s in the TCU, but I did clean it, and it didn't look damaged or anything, could it be worn? The tractor only developed this problem in the last year, and has gotten worse over time, but only a little. Any ideas here ? I'm at a loss as to where to look next..... Thanks a bunch for any help
T.

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Hugh MacKay

11-02-2003 03:59:56




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 Re: Hydraulic Dilema .... '50 Super A in reply to TonyG, 11-01-2003 07:23:47  
Tony:
Brian: Just curious how bad is this labouring of the engine on hydraulic function. It will always be enough that you will notice on sound of engine. These tractors were that way when they when the were new. I'm not quite sure if this gets less noticeable as tractor accumulates some hours or you just get used to it.

If however, this is dropping rpm's then you must have a restriction somewhere. Presure relief would be first place to look. Brian's cure tells you a lot. Another item I had happen one time was on left side one rockshaft was catching on the other but this caused restriction both ways.

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Brian

11-01-2003 16:08:24




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 Re: Hydraulic Dilema .... '50 Super A in reply to TonyG, 11-01-2003 07:23:47  
I have the same issue with my Super A. I mentioned to the local IH Dealer and they told me not to worry about it. He said that they all did that in one direction. I would suggest that if the problem gets worse you should definately be concerned, but perhaps a hydraulic oil change wouldn't hurt either. By the way the bog was significant, if you were driving it along at a contant speed it would actually slow the tractor down. Since then, I added a valve bank to the tractor and the bog has gone away. This would imply to me that its offering some pressure relief that the TCU wasn't before. Having said that... it would imply that the orfice or valving for that direction isn't working properly.

Don't think I helped you... But at least your not alone !

Brian.

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TonyG

11-02-2003 07:32:21




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 Re: Re: Hydraulic Dilema .... '50 Super A in reply to Brian, 11-01-2003 16:08:24  
When I first got the tractor (out of the back of a tobacco barn) and got it running, there was no significantly noticable bogging, but now it can almost kill an idling engine, and definitely slows a moving tractor. If there's a restriction, I haven't found it and during the TCU rebuild I completely cleaned the unit, and blew air through out all the passages. There's always a chance I missed something, I just wish I knew exactly where to start looking. And by the way, I have completely changed the hydro fluid twice (and that ain't been cheap!, but I had to be sure.) You say you added a valve bank, how and at what point in the system? I'm just getting ready to put an IH1000 Loader on this tractor, and maybe putting a take-off on it will help??? I'll give it a try.....

Thanks a bunch,
T.

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